It may say more about me than others but faking it gets to me.
Found that as a headline in this mornings news papers.
Faking it leads to a perfect marriage, does it, are we that shallow?
It is the way I am, often it sees me wander away from crowds, that kiss on the cheek from some one who dislikes you.
The lets pretend we are friends thing?
Why, we all do it, smile and extend our hand while hiding our true thoughts.
But more and more of us are making good use of the term once you can fake sincerity you have it made.
Is there room for honesty?

belly, I think everyone who want to live in this earth and get a better relationship need to fake sth. sometimes for not hurting others, sometimes for business benefit. you can't show very straight, which will make you seem very overbearing and like a arrogant. when i was kid, i hate fake too. but now the society changed me.

You mean the fake it to make it thing and eventually you actually take it onboard and feel that way? Yabby might have an opinion about that and whether we can change our own hormone levels or chemical reactions to do this or even if the mind can beat back some basic emotions long enough to alter them?

Might be what stalkers do, decide they love someone and run it over and over in their mind until they are seeing things that aren’t there and reading things in to what you say that has nothing to do with them.

I fake it, a new kid will arrive that I don’t like – I search relentlessly for something I do like about them (even hair colour will do) and then expand it from there.

We’re all fakers, even the most honest of us will still make an effort to maybe not embarrass another or hurt another with our honesty.

Teenage girls are the biggest fakers in the world, they sit and have the biggest gripe sessions about a “friend” then the friend walks in and they are suddenly so totally supportive and sensitive. Or maybe that’s just letting off steam between friends so it doesn’t build up?

Are fakers really just kinder people doing their part to make society run smoothly?

Pied has made some astute comments. We all fake it at times, especially at work - I have found being totally honest in the public service does not go down too well. Best to accept the things you cannot change and try and make small inroads into those that you might wield some influence.

In general terms there is a place for faking it in some situations. ie. I would prefer a retail assistant who has had a bad day to treat me respectfully even if it is faked than act in a terse and anti-social way.

But I think Belly marriage is a whole other ballgame. Sometimes in a marriage you have to accept things about your partner you might not like and vice versa but weigh it up in terms of importance. Some things are just not worth raising and people generally cannot change old habits, some people just can't communicate on the same level. In those cases it is best sometimes to just accept without judgement. In a marriage there has to be some compromise. I am not sure if that is faking it or not.

The Pied Piper
"Are fakers really just kinder people doing their part to make society run smoothly?"
Usualy the fakers are weak persons who afraid to claim their rights, who underestimate their self and accept their humiliation as a normal every day condition.
Why I have to fake, to humiliate my self and avoid to tell the truth?
Why I intent that I am happy when on my 40 I can not drive a car when every one else can drive and has his/her car?
Why while I have so high income I intent that I am happy without car when I can not go shopping, I can not visit friends or relatives, I can not take my children to park or cinema, I can not go a trip for fresh air?
Do we have to lie our self for conditions which are shamefull for us?
There are extremely rear cases and for a little time only where we can be fake.
Generaly fakers are the weak people not the strong one, not the people who respect their self and the others, not the people who can claim their rights, who can fight for their dreams.
Personaly I feel shame to write with a fake name, I feel shame to disagree and intent that I agree, to see the wrong doing and close my mouth, to know that you do the right thing and not to encourage you.
For me the fakers sent the wrong meseges to perpetraitors, to immature and irrisponsible people, to cheap and dirty people, that their acts are acceptable, that they can continue their sick acts, that to close a woman in the home as a prisoner, to behave to a woman as a second class person, without integrity and respect is acceptable and that he can continue to behave with that way.
The fakers not only victimize and humuliate their self but with their acts encourage the victimization of other innocent people, they damage human realations and play an important role in the creation of a fake, unfair and authoritarian society.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Pelican wise words indeed.

Belly
There is a difference between 'faking it' and superficial superstitiousness.
E.g. I know my wife is bored to snores with my in depth analysis but she does try.
I get bored with conversations about her searching the net for cheap "Kathy van Zeeland" hand bags( with dingle dangles ...important!) and I help her with bidding etc. For her birthday we won 5. Why 5 and DD I don't understand nor particularly want to. It is enough that she considers it important.
But the fact that we both try is what engenders trust that we don't automatically have selfish intentions. A preparedness to sacrifice/compromise hence 32 years later we battle on.

On the other hand I refused to accept an award from the previous Mayor because it was a political ploy to use it to get what developers wanted (a measured 70% of the public didn't). He was hypocritical. As a consequence he lost and came gunning for eAnt and I. I paid a price, My choice.

I guess it all comes down to understanding the others motives.
Well that's my take on it for what it's worth.

we are talking aBOUT FAKING IT
dam cap loc

in the next realm all is revealed
...you cant fake it there

here of course...were all faking...
i pretend to care..because we need to all learn ways..we can care...

i fake it till it get's real...pretend its really...

a real...;feeling...feeling that pretending feeling..in this mind numbed ,lump of flesh,..pretending he still feels anything...has to be better than feeling nothing

were all being made numb...the news is so bad..we stop feeling..or we feel the need..to pretend feeling...or numb feeling...it leaves you reeling

in lue of passion...feeling is neither salt not chalk...it is fit...alone for...the com-post..

.but so too all the meat..[living]..of life..
yet this meat..is fit for the come-post...all of it dies in time..it can be delayed...but it spoils/gets sick has suck...rots/ages and decays

BUT..

we are spirits..having an incernate LIFE-experience...all pretendingf individuality...when at-one-meant is the certainty...specificlly so we can pretend a lie true...

to allow us to pretend mortality...despite being eternal/evolving/spirits..

.yeah i pretend ...so what...so do we all

let ye without pretence ...
not pretend perfection
there is but one perfect...

needing neither to pretend...nor pre-tenders....

one life giver..sustaining all life....
sustaining via the light logoic love life
sustaining each living ...our living

but..one alone..has no need to pretend...
even to pretend..to be...faking it...i am..iamb of god

why does it [faking]..seem to reflect other words...

im sure its spelled wrong

wankfaking

FA-KING...facking facking it

Faking anything is to deny reality.

Fake your medical details.. and you might die from something which could have been treated

Fake your affections for someone - why?

Only if you want to live a lie or you are too afraid to confront the truth.

Faking produces half a life.

The real life we could have is only obtained by being truthful about every thing and is not excused when intended to save someone elses feelings; because anyone who cannot handle creative criticism or the truth should not mix with any other folk at all.

OUG, umm… yeah, Hi how are you today? You actually sound on a bit of downward slope right there. Some people are genuine in their feelings even while pretending otherwise to achieve an outcome that they think could benefit someone else. We fake stuff and we tell lies and sometimes we can be plain hurtful while believing sincerely it will do some good.

I wouldn’t assume to claim we are right or it is the best way but it is all very human and while in this realm maybe we need to just focus on improving it until all the “bad” future realms are empty?

Pelican I get what you’re are saying about pretending even within marriage. I’m shocking for making fun of everything and it can be difficult for me to sit and be serious when hubby wants to have a conversation, takes a bit of will power and he describes me as irreverent towards most subjects.

And the way he leaves his shoes everywhere, well I just suck that one up so I figure it all evens out in the end.

Exam:”E.g. I know my wife is bored to snores with my in depth analysis but she does try.”

You so have to high five your wife for me. We are obviously both married to intelligent men who often drive us nuts with how much they want to share it. I have been known to physically launch on hubby and torture him until he shuts up. Your wife tried that one?

Col:”The real life we could have is only obtained by being truthful about every thing and is not excused when intended to save someone elses feelings; because anyone who cannot handle creative criticism or the truth should not mix with any other folk at all.”

Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. I have been so tempted on occasion...

Dear Belly,

Faking it?

We all do it dear heart.

Imagine if I told
my boss what I really thought of some of his
ideas - or didn't laugh out loud at my
husband's jokes? Or told my girlfriend -
that you new hair-colour sucks? Or my mother-in-law
that she can't cook for quids - and that I can't
stand split-pea soup (her favourite, that she insists
on making especially for me). There are moments when
you simply have no other choice - but to 'fake it,'
for the sake of peace and harmony.

Regarding marriage? Ogden Nash summed it up
beautifully when he wrote:

"To keep your marriage brimming,
With love in the loving cup,
Whenever you're wrong, admit it;
Whenever you're right, shut up."

examinator
"On the other hand I refused to accept an award from the previous Mayor because it was a political ploy to use it"
All my life I refuse to sell my independance not for awards but for high positisions in national level not as a manager to a capitalist, not as capitalist's dog but in progresive parties.
We can not intent that we are against capitalists when all our life we serve them with unimagined loyalty.
Even in Australia I could have good positions if I decided to put water in my wine, the question is not to put wine but how much. If you fall in the trap then indegrity and self respect gone.
It is easy to say big words but it is very difficult and hurtfull to be honest and in line with your ideas.
When my ex employer, sold his company and before he leave his premisses he came to me to say good buy, he did not do that to other people but to me, I had the opportunitiues for carrier but I rejected to become a dog direct or inderect, I found my job with the support from the former parliament representative of the Liberal party, I meet all political leaders, most of the ALP and many asked about me, who is this man with the special treatment, I heard few to say that I was a famous writer, no one thought that this bastard is a floor cleaner who rejects to sell his seoul and who is ready to fight against anyone or against all together compined.
It is not the empty words it is the ethos the willing and strength to continue fighting to contnue to be YOUR SELF
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Piper,

'Teenage girls are the biggest fakers in the world, they sit and have the biggest gripe sessions about a “friend” then the friend walks in and they are suddenly so totally supportive and sensitive. Or maybe that’s just letting off steam between friends so it doesn’t build up?'

Snap. I remember walking with a girl friend when I was a teenager and she ran up to this girl and they hugged and said 'How are you!' and all this excited chat. Then when she said her goodbyes (another huge hug!) and walked off with me she said something like "I hate that bitch'. I remember thinking to myself, if I saw a guy I hated, he'd be lucky to get a nod of recognition, and no chance a hug and an excited welcome. I think chicks have some strange social rules.

Personally, being a grumpy old man, I cringe when people talk to me about the weather in elevators. I stand there thinking, is this person so insecure that they cant handle a moments silence in front of a stranger? Are they so lonely they need that bit of mind-numbingly boring and cringe-worthy 'conversation'. I have considered vomiting on them, but I can usually hold it back;-)

'But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. I have been so tempted on occasion...'

Check this out.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule

pelican,

Is this accurate?

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7558

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7862

examinator,

'E.g. I know my wife is bored to snores with my in depth analysis but she does try.'

Man, that's so unfair. She should have to try harder to listen to you, not us!

Foxy man I knew you were fake!

Dear Houellebecq,

Don't flatter yourself - you don't
know anything at all!

However, this book might help:

"Faking it," by William Ian Miller.
Cambridge University Press, 2003.
ISBN 0-521-83018-4.

You might need a dictionary though (- there's words
with more than one syllable throughout the book).

I think one under God was faking it in that post.
I did say it may only be me, but I understand we would kill each other if we did not sometimes fake it.
But I also see true lies true faking and am less than happy with it.
True story 20 years ago young well liked police man, involved in a fatal smash.
One dead, he was legless but ok, truth is he did nothing wrong, I saw another car panic as he tried to stop a speeding third one and slam on its brakes.
We all, a road crew spoke to him, all on side , his side.
A year after and he was back at work, the crew gathered around his car, playing with his siren and headlights, sharing a laugh.
After he drove away he never spoke to me again, I still think he is a good bloke, but could not join in with a crew that played with him, laughed with him and after he left said he was a murderer.
So I walked away.
I understand PP about young girls, old ones too and men talk much the same.
But falseness is, well I am comfortable to be who I am and with others who are happy in their own skins.

PP
I didn't mean pretending as such in a marriage merely accepting that which we cannot change and level of importance in the context of blissful marital relations.

My husband always know what I really think and I don't lie to him even if he doesn't really want to know. :)

Belly
I also don't like the false greetings that some bandy around like "Darling" when you hardly know the person and the false air kisses on the cheek. Thankfully my work no longer brings me into too much contact with those types.

Houlley
In reference to your links. Those articles are right to some degree but nothing is ever that simple. The APS is a large organisation broken up into many parts with different cultures and management styles. The main problem I find is that one is not meant to rock the boat or raise ethical concerns - this is a no no if your job or career really matters.

Houel:”.. I think chicks have some strange social rules.”

Gawd yeah... rather walk on my own lips that hurt some fem’s feelings on purpose. Over the years I have tried to maybe stare people in a better direction and not so much of the “you’re talking shite you twat”. Problem would be girls also become violent.

Not so much damage is caused compared to men when there is a hate on. Men will stay well away from each other, women reach an agreement generally to not cause too much damage to features. I think they have to get angrier than most men to reach boiling.

Last physical disagreement I had (about 10 years ago now) some chick said something (hey it was about kids, admittedly her own, but still!), I ran at her, two of my friends grabbed me one each side and the cow came right down the middle and punched me in the face while I was pinned. She got a good kicking though. I saw her a few days later and we compared bruises and had an embarrassed girly giggle.

I don’t talk weather, that’s the opener and I return with a “where are you from, what’s your name, where do you work, how is life, what’s the scar from…” people run screaming from me in general.

That drawing stuff was the funniest Houel… brilliant, loved it, and it is so what I am often thinking. I do paint on canvas a lot with kids, have to fess up – some are just amazing as group abstracts.

Hey Houel hon, you go read the book Foxy suggested and give me your translation when done please.

Pelican, as Pelicans do that went right over my head. Isn’t accepting a form of faking it? Is it a form of resigning yourself to something or is it a sacrifice for peace? Might be a “pick your battles” type thing? I miss all faults when hubby isn’t around. Well not the shoe thing, gawd that makes me nato.

PP: “Not so much damage is caused compared to men when there is a hate on. Men will stay well away from each other, women reach an agreement generally to not cause too much damage to features. I think they have to get angrier than most men to reach boiling.”

So what is it they say about a woman scorned? Or is that only about what they do to men and not to each other?

I wouldn't think so Pied. Faking it would imply an untruth or pretending everything is okay when it is not.

Accepting is part of a marriage as is compromise. Nothing is ever perfect in a relationship and if you value the whole, the small details are just nitpicking and not important in the grand scheme of things.

On another tangent, manners might be seen as a form of fakery, but I think they are important in keeping relationships cordial and respectful. Even if you don't like someone for whatever reason, they still possess feelings - all back to the old adage of treating others as you would wish to be treated.

It raises an interesting discussion. Personally, I think one can possess manners and still be honest - it is all in the delivery.

Dear Belly,

I've read an interesting article on the web
"Act as if...Do we need to fake it to make it?"
by Alan J. Butler. According to him -
it seems that you do.

It gives a different slant on 'faking it.'

Butler works with what society refers to as -
'damaged people,' substance abusers, troubled
souls ...

He stresses the importance of acting 'as if.'
He says that positive feelings lead to positive
actions. That you'll pick up the necessary skills
as you go along. But act as if you're already there.
In other words - 'fake it.'

He reminds us that you may have attended a job
interview where you felt inside that you were out of
your depth, or you may have had to speak in public,
where the butterflies in your stomach told you
you weren't going to make it. However, if you took
a deep breath - and act confidently - pretty soon
you begin to adapt to the part.

What he's basically stressing is - if you want to
change your self-centred lifestyle - start helping
others, become a volunteer. If you want to be addiction
free- start acting as if you're already there. Fake it
until you make it!

many of the self help books talk about positive visualisation,..live like you allready suceeded...besides the measure for succes is so meager...it takes so little talent to appear to be succesfull

i had a workmate once...arrived in a suit/left in a suit...but worked in overall;s,,,for all anyone knew he was a lawyer...

no body knows..the world is so full of fakes...a few more wont nmake any difference...what is my success or failure...or yours to mine...its as if nothing...

as long as we dont become a failure in our own eyes we just fine...it shouldnt matter to anyone else...who should be focusing.. on themselves

Has anyone seen the movie 'Liar Liar' with Jim Carrey?

It is a comedy suggesting what may happen if people are unable to lie or fake their comments/observations when out in the community.

Although this movie was a comedy, it did show how people we don't know very well, or even some we do, may become offended or hurt unless we twist the truth a little.

There is nothing wrong with faking a reply or observation if it is not illegal or very important, and it will only serve to make someone's day!

Foxy
I expected from you to be fighter for women's rights, for human rights, not to convert them to clowns of their husbands! If a woman can not desagree with her husband for the jokes then how she could desagree with him in more important issues?
I thought you promote the woman fighter for her rights not the woman clown of her husband. Very sorry FOXY but you seem broken and you forgot women's rights.

"Imagine if I told my boss what I really thought of some of his
ideas" Why not? If you belong in the managment group this is part of your job, but even if you are in the lowest level even then if you desagree or you think you have a good idea then it is not bad to tell him your ideas! Most modern employers want new ideas and there is no problem if you tell him yours.
Foxy what hapened with you? where is your strength what happened with the foxy activist? You read many books and you forgot your roots, the core of your basic ideas. WE ARE NOT FAKE PERSONS. WE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS, FOR OUR INTEGRITY, THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUSION
Did you read The Pied Piper' post? "Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty." and that is what I admire about her top maturity, sensitivity, honesty!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

Suze, that's a good point with the Liar Liar thing aye. He couldn’t shut up though. Maybe the ones who are very honest mean that when they choose to speak they will be totally honest?

Foxy I agree, nothing wrong with faking it for the right reasons – including retaining an income for your family.

Pelican if you fake (untruth/pretending) something for your partner, gawd trying to think of an example… okay so they trim the hedge and its wrong, cut way too much off and they’re quite pleased with their efforts and ask you what you think – I’d be grinning and saying “yeah you made a lot of work for yourself there..." then blither on about something else. Now a few days later I would say “I’m thinking maybe not so much off next time aye”.

I faked the response the first time because it just was not required or helpful in the moment. It is all part of good husband training.[smile] Just had a thought – that was more avoidance of truth, is that faking it?

Seeker:”So what is it they say about a woman scorned? Or is that only about what they do to men and not to each other?”

Oh Seeker when a woman’s love turns to hatred even heaven can’t compete with that rage, hell has no fury that would compare. No gender is safe.

Pied
It would depend on how important you think the hedge is. If you really would rather it not be cut so low next time (or wonky) then I would say exactly what you said "maybe not so much off next time and it looks good a little higher" or something like that. That is not faking it.

Maybe we need a definition of faking. I would argue that accepting someones shortcomings is not faking but compromise.

Dear Antonios,

You don't know me that well to make
those kind of assumptions about me.
I know that English is not your first
language - and many people on OLO
overlook your personal insults most of
the time - as do I. You have no idea of
what my relationship with my husband is -
or what I do or don't do as far as
human rights are concerned. You simply
don't know me that well.

I don't call you a "blow hard,"
or a big "wind-bag," (all talk and no action) -
so I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off the name
calling.

I know you probably mean well.

FAKE-ING IT OUT

Scientists Debunk UN “Global Warming”
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monthly_report/sppi_monthly_co2_report_july.html
Christopher Monckton
SPPI Monthly
August 25, 2009

UN exaggerated warming 6-fold: the scare is over

SPPI’s authoritative Monthly CO2 Report for July 2009 announces the publication of a major paper by Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT, demonstrating by direct measurement that outgoing long-wave radiation is escaping to space far faster than the UN predicts, showing that the UN has exaggerated global warming 6-fold.Report, page 3.

Lindzen’s paper on outgoing long-wave radiation shows the “global warming” scare is over. Thanks to recent peer reviewed papers that have not been mentioned in the mainstream news media, we now know that the effect of CO2 on temperature is small, we know why it is small, and we know that it is having very little effect on the climate. Page 3.

The IPCC assumes CO2 concentration will reach 836 ppmv by 2100, but, for almost eight years, CO2 concentration has headed straight for only 570 ppmv by 2100. This alone halves all of the IPCC’s temperature projections. Pages 5-6.

Since 1980 temperature has risen at only 2.5 °F (1.5 °C)/century, not the 7 F° (3.9 C°) the IPCC imagines. Pages 7-9.

Sea level rose just 8 inches in the 20th century and has been rising at just 1 ft/century since 1993. Sea level has scarcely risen since 2006. Also, Pacific atolls are not being drowned by the sea, as some have suggested. Pages 10-12.

Arctic sea-ice extent is about the same as it has been at this time of year in the past decade. In the Antarctic, sea ice extent – on a 30-year rising trend – reached a record high in 2007. Global sea ice extent shows little trend for 30 years. Pages 13-15.
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Foxy
The problem with you is that you have written very often on the forum and people trust and respect you, but if you pass this kind of messeges then there is a problem!
My talk is an action, I use this forum to send some messeges and my messeges are very clear BE STRAIT AND HONEST, PREPARE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS! TRUST CHARACTERS, MORAL CODES, NOT EMPTY WORDS.
People are smarter than we think and they have strong memory.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

TPP” Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”.”

Yes being honest with tact is different to being honest without tact.

To the kids we say “nice effort but”…. Followed by a list of constructive criticisms and maybe conditioned with a friendly hug.

Pelican “On another tangent, manners might be seen as a form of fakery,……. Personally, I think one can possess manners and still be honest”

Disagree Pelican, manners distinguish the refined from the trailer park trash…. I open doors for ladies, wait for them to sit, generally treat people with respect (unless they decide to take a shot at me).

Being “constructively critical” is neither rude nor disrespectful….

UOG “i had a workmate once...arrived in a suit/left in a suit...but worked in overall;s,,,for all anyone knew he was a lawyer...”

I get your drift but maybe he inherited a lot of suits from someone.

I usually wear business casual these days, but sometimes a suit, depending on the audience but that is not “fakery” that is “selling”.

The best description of fakery I know is an English saying “fur coat and no knickers”

someone showing off their “finery” but foregoing the basics.

Ah AGW is a big fake… always has been and will be… it as an attempt by UN bureaucrats to claim significance for themselves by perpetrating the biggest widescale fraud which will, ultimately cost over 1,000 time more than the Bernard Madoff scam.

ASymeonakis “The problem with you ….. “

I find judgmental responses fake.

They rely on a knowledge which is in fact absent and an entitlement to criticism which is unsupportable in practice.

Like Foxy said “You don't know me that well to make
those kind of assumptions about me.”

Doubtless you see failings/problems with my posts from time to time but if you ever passed a line like that to me,

I would (politely) “tear you out an extra orifice”, figuratively speaking, in my posts

Col Rouge
In the forum I am interested for few simple things
1. Writers messeges to readers
2. Writers honesty.
Usualy there is a connection between messeges and honesty but some time this connection is not very visible.
Honesty have to do with the character, the moral code, the core values of the writer.
The messeges depend on many factors and their motivations or goals are not clear, but with some experiences we can see their results.
I am interested primarly for characters, moral codes, core values of the writer and less for their messeges but in some cases the writers and their messeges play an important role to readers. My responses dependes on the effects or results on the readers and not the motivations of the writers, I do not know their motivations.
In the forum I have my own goals, if I think a post damaged my goals, my ideas, I fight to minimize the impact of the messege to readers.
If I found in a messege an opportunity to promote my ideas I also will fight this messege.
Generaly I am fix in many issues as migrants rights, women rights, democracy, human rights etc.
YES I USE THIS FORUM OR ANY FORUM TO PROMOTE MY IDEAS AND I AM READY TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY POST OR WRITER WHO PROMOTE OPPOSITE IDEAS.
Every one does it, simple I do not hide my self back of my fingers.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios Symeonakis QUOTE>>>>please explain?..<<..if I found in a messege..an opportunity to promote my ideas...I also will fight this messege....>>here is your oppertuinity

...<<<..Generaly I am fix <<<...gebnerally my mind is fixed on??...<<<..in many issues ]..>>SUCH <<..as migrants rights>>>

ok so what about migrant rights
we treat them the same as the abo's
because their all ab-origonal...from somewhere

ok we change their names to make them english...but then fill their minds with wrong ideas...when imagrants run home their outcast thus oftenn return to foreign lands [for thec kids]]

we are sytolen generation as well[we lost our links to culture...were stolen generations TOO...we only know our mother and father [no kin skin groups to be seen

<<,women rights,>>>how about that circumsizing of woman so the dont get pleasure and stay loyal to their tyrant of a husband...for honour?

<<..democracy,>>>demon-mock-craz-y,...de-moc-rats....de-mockery,..

<<..human rights etc.>>.humans are mainly wrong
the been fed propagandased lies and deceptions [re 911...re gulf of tonkin..re pearlharbour...and so much more that mocks the reality of human rights....how to enforce them under tyrany?

<<YES I USE THIS FORUM OR ANY FORUM TO PROMOTE MY IDEAS AND I AM READY TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY POST OR WRITER WHO PROMOTE OPPOSITE IDEAS.
Every one does it,simple I do not hide my self>>>>.i was understanding you perfect
but then you lost me hear...<<< back of my fingers.>>>?

ASymeonakis “Usualy there is a connection between messeges and honesty but some time this connection is not very visible.”

Maybe you think you are receiving messages which seem not very visible - because they do not actually exist.

“The messeges depend on many factors and their motivations or goals are not clear, but with some experiences we can see their results.”

Perhaps inhaling the vapours off certain mushrooms helps us to see these “results” more clearly -

but for me, back in my wayward youth, when trying to snort mushroom smoke… all I got was completely bonged out.

“YES I USE THIS FORUM OR ANY FORUM TO PROMOTE MY IDEAS AND I AM READY TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY POST OR WRITER WHO PROMOTE OPPOSITE IDEAS.”

Hmmm.. still trying to decipher the message you are sending me…. Maybe I will try some mushrooms again…

Hey Pelican, yeah I think I leapt straight into commenting on lies, half truths and being dishonest etc where I recall (cause I went and checked) Belly’s first post was more about social etiquette and that kind of fake politeness. Or that is what I got from it the second time around.

It is also a professional requirement isn’t it because even though I know a caseworker is spewing on something they have to still act professional. Still be honest but in language that is more acceptable than probably just how spewy they’re really honestly feeling.

Social stuff… maybe that is a lot more like “oh what is the point of even bringing it up with a no brain dumb arse that refuses to understand I never did and never will want anything to do with them since they have shown a rapid escalation in just how psychotic and disturbed they are while inhabiting planet La La”.

I think social stuff can come down to their being absolutely no point in interacting in anything but a polite way publically towards someone you consider too much of a fruit loop to every truly get through to.

I may have slightly started to rant there.

Dear Antonios,

My first post on this thread was meant to be
taken lightly - it was written in a humourous
vein - and there in lies your problem.

As other posters have pointed out to you in the
past - you often read things into people's posts
- or you're so obsessed with your own message and agenda
that you miss the point entirely that some one is
trying to make. You often simply don't understand
what people are posting - again, because you are so self-
absorbed in getting your message across.

Whatever it may be at any given time ...

What you need to do is - instead of contributing to a
Forum where a wide variety of opinions are being
expressed - get a soap-box and go to your nearest
public park in Adealide (or any public domain)
on any given Sunday - and preach all you like
to whoever will stop to listen to you. That way you
won't have to bother reading any one else's
opinion - you can simply concentrate on your own
agenda.

Well said Foxy, lol.

It seems to be getting a little hot between the lines here!

I see that none of the previous few writers here would be faking many of their conversations! Viva la difference!

Foxy
You like it or not, you play a leading role in the forum, Your idea that women should behave as their husband's clown,"imagine if I told
my boss what I really thought of some of hisideas - or didn't laugh out loud at my husband's jokes?" does not help at all women's fight for their rights and their integrity.
I support the movement for women's rights and I do not have any other choice than to fight against any post, any messege who damage their fight and their rights.
I wrote many times in the forum that I promote my ideas and I do not intent to abandon them in the name of a fake politeness.
Of cause your role in the forum, I have to read your posts and fight against any of your messeges which is against my core values.
Sorry I do not try to seem good and I am interested more for human values than for fake human relations.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Col Rouge,
"Maybe you think you are receiving messages which seem not very visible - because they do not actually exist"
do you mean meanigless posts or that you can not understand their messages?
"Perhaps inhaling the vapours off certain mushrooms helps us to see these “results” more clearly " I do not think you can see them exept if we put a piece of thatserism! Then you will refind your ability to see the darkness threw the darkness!
"the message you are sending me…. Maybe I will try some mushrooms again"
I do not sent any message to you, I do not weast my time and energy for you!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I may have had a post deleted or did I just hit the wrong key?
Been burning it both ends and the middle for a few weeks , out the door in 30 minutes
AS please control that aggression.
After all it is YOU who lecture us on equality and fairness.
I can find nothing wrong in Foxys posts.
And I can not always say the same about yours.
my missing post went more into the debate but just maybe it was my fault.
The forum has always been a place for robust debate.
And sometimes for needless slanging matches.
are you faking it AS?
are you stirring the pot?
Side issue would be good if deleted posts got a notice saying it took place, and italics for emphasis

Foxy:”Actually, examinator is probably right - but then
so is Houellie. I do feel so out of my depth at times -
I tend to see-saw on so many things - nothing for
me is set in concrete - and I'm consistently amazed
at how much I've still got to learn about so many
things. Until I came onto this Forum - I thought
I was pretty cluey - now I'm not so sure - and my
self-esteem and confidence tends to waver (a lot).
All of my life I've been taught - be polite - consider
other people's feelings - do the right thing - well
heck I'm getting to the stage where I simply want to
say -'stuff it - what about me?'”

I do hope you had a nice bath Foxy they’re the best. We’re a bit different, I arrived recently at OLO knowing I know nothing.[smile] I’ve learnt stuff from you and everyone else.

We should be over in the Faking It thread (might reply over there). I know I was taught to be polite… I still teach kids to be polite and how to not say something if it is about to hurt another person’s feelings. But of course there has to be a balance where you also demand people treat you the same way back. Actually I’m going to have a big think about that and if Col is right and it is about tact rather than holding back. Maybe teach them to say things a different way. It’s good to have a never ending supply of subjects for social experiments.

But anyway; yesterday was weird and seemed a little unbalanced so thought I’d just climb on your side of see-saw with you.

Hey Belly (hope it’s okay to gatecrash with a post from another thread), I’m with you – can’t see anything wrong with what Foxy has said. In this thread I think one of her posts has been interpreted wrongly by the reader who obviously reads and judges what people have said without understanding what was written at all.

The Pied Piper
"I’m with you – can’t see anything wrong with what Foxy has said"
My friend usually we understand each other, please try to understand this simple things.
1. I try to be an honest person, I try to be simple, and I do not like to be polite for wrong reasons, I do not like ANYONE to think that I am an hypocrite!
2. Foxy is a leading writer in the forum, a progressive person, a human rights activist. She is a good writer and knows how to promote her ideas. From her posts I found that she is very good in most subjeicts as migrants rights etc but soft and weak on women' rights.
3. My friend it is very easy to be polite, it is very easy to close your eyes but it is not easy to fight against friends, it is not good to turn people against you, BUT MY FRIEND SOME HAS TO TELL THE TRUTH, SOME ONE HAS TO DEFENT THE BASIC RIGHTS, SOME HAVE TO TELL "NO PASARAN", SOME HAS TO DO THE HARD JOB!
4. Foxy is very soft and weak for women's rights NOT only in her posts, in her messeges BUT also in her life. She did not only write "Imagine if I told my boss what I really thought of some of his
ideas - or didn't laugh out loud at my husband's jokes?" but also she wrote "I can't view anything on u-tube -I've got an old crap computer - very basic -and limited. I keep hoping that someone from the family will buy me a new one - sometime soon"
Fractelle had was right when wrote "Foxy a shame you can't access Youtube" Foxy spent plenty time on the internet, and she belong to midle class but she did not learn to kick her hand on the desk, to claim her rights.
Do you expect from me to accept this kind of messeges?
"NO PASARAN!"
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Belly and Piper,

Thanks for your comments.

Antonios unfortunately often makes assumptions about
people incorrectly. This week I just happen
to be his chosen target.

Had he bothered to read my
posts on your 'wedding vow,' thread (or any of my earlier
posts on other threads) - he would
realize that my husband and I have a solid
relationship. The same goes for my relationships
at work - I actually get on very well with my
boss - and he's extremely fair and easy going.
A lovely man.

'People skills,' are skills that most
employers view as an important component of qualifications
for any position that involves dealing with people in a variety
of situations. These skills include tact and diplomacy.

Perhaps that's
the real reason Antonios doesn't get promoted at work?
People don't trust someone who's not capable of
seeing the difference of when to be brutally honest
and when to be tactful. Tact and diplomacy are necessary
skills in all walks of life - but especially for someone
in a managerial position - where you deal with a variety of
situations and people - including staff.

Anyway, enough said - I don't want all this to de-rail this
thread and become a case of "She said, He said."

Dear Antonios,

Now, I'm getting cross!

You really don't know what you're talking about!

You posted your last post just ahead of me so
I didn't get a chance to read it until now.

I choose not to have a new computer (for now).
It's entirely my choice! I'm saving
for an overseas (world) trip next year.

You're ranting on about my being 'weak,' on
'women's rights.' My rights have never been in
question. I've achieved on my own merit.
Can you say the same?

<<..democracy,>>>demon-mock-craz-y,...de-moc-rats....de-mockery,..

<<..human rights etc.>>.humans are mainly wrong

That's gold OUG!

I normally find you harder to read than pontificator, but gems like that have made me change my mind. You're much more entertaining.

I cant believe I missed Foxy saying I was right about something. I must look up that thread!

Hey Foxy, you’re getting cross while I’m approaching livid. All I can say is this not about you at all and the attack is more an overflow from completely one sided e-mails that have not been responded to for a very long time due to their rapid descent into a deluded attitude with often sexually explicit content.

I can see an attempt to publically convince women they are not in happy marriages when in fact they are and have never ever hinted otherwise and have stated repeatedly just how much they do love their husband.

It isn’t about equal rights or females that laugh at their husband’s jokes or who is polite to their boss. It’s about someone living in a complete fantasy world that refuses to understand their comments are unsolicited, unwanted and utterly repulsive to the recipient.

Of course it could all be said honestly in a private response but it would do nothing but give them attention and since they already believe every single friendly public response written is about them and every negative must be about someone else it would do nothing but feed into the psychosis.

Given the environment I have stated this much more politely than I feel. If appropriate I would have used every bad word I’ve ever heard in my life to clarify just how incensed I am.

But I am sorry Foxy that this has affected you in any way.

AS

I agree with your defence of honesty and hate fakery as much as you do, and I'm also with you in your dislike of pseudonyms.

As pointed out by Foxy though, we are social animals and tact and diplomacy are the oil that keep social relationships on track. If we were all totally frank the whole time, we'd end up offending everyone and leading a pretty lonely existence.

I too, at first, was slightly taken aback with Foxy's first post on this thread, I think because she is always so polite and charming. Her revelations sounded flippant and just didn't quite gel with the Foxy I have up on a fairly high pedestal!

To reveal deceptions like that, however, actually requires a great deal of honesty. I'm sure we're all guilty of similar false flatteries and for the same good reasons, but I'm not sure we'd all be honest enough to share them.

I've been away and may have missed something along the line, but I'm not sure where you're coming from with your criticism of Foxy on women's rights!

TPP

What's the other thread you've referred to here? Just curious. :)

The Pied Piper

1.Thank you for your response one more proof that you are a high value person.
2. I did not write only for sex BUT MAINLY FOR YOUR SEPARATION, DEVORCE, MARRY, FAMILY.
3. It is true that you send me only 11 emails while I send to you many, many emails!
4. While you stop to email me, from your posts I thought that the story with you did not finished and I continue to sent you emails. for example you wrote "I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle." or few days before " Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. I have been so tempted on occasion..." etc
5. I do not deny that I send you many emails or that I have been in love with you you.
6. IT IS NOT FAIR to say that my response to foxy is related with our relations, check all my posts from the very begin and you will find that I always defend my ideas.
Thank you for your response, only you can sent a post like that, THANK YOU
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

'the attack is more an overflow from completely one sided e-mails that have not been responded to for a very long time due to their rapid descent into a deluded attitude with often sexually explicit content.'

Huh? Why am I the last to know these things? Sounds intriguing.

This is just delicious!

I've no Idea what antonios is on about, but the drama that has unfolded is great!

I cant even piss people off this much no matter how hard I try. You're truly gifted AS!

'I've been away and may have missed something along the line, but I'm not sure where you're coming from with your criticism of Foxy on women's rights!'

Yeah it's got me beat, but most things do.
Storms, teacups, molehills. Where this fits in I don't know. But damn it's exciting!

Foxy

Who said you weren't cluey? Certainly not me.

I suspect that AS is trying to communicate but is losing the thread in translation between what is written and as he understands it and responding on the latter. Boy can I understand that!
He also takes his lead from others, shall we say the less agile.
He could do worse learn from you, than almost anyone else on OLO

At the risk of pontificating cluey is a relative term
A savant might know more facts that you, is that cluey?
A genius may know more facts that you yet be a social nong, is that cluey?
Socrates taught a wise person knows how little they really KNOW.

The value is not in the facts but knowing what to do with the facts you do have. some posters on OLO lack that.

Ask yourself are you happy content within your abilities? if so, you're clueyer than most, you posses the wisdom of how to be content and civil to all. I have difficulty with both especially with the latter at times.

In last resorts remember:
On my wall is the perversion of the serenity prayer "grant me the Wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I may have to kill because they piss me off." it helps. :-)

i have only but casually followed the exposition/unfolding of faking it...its 1 april right?

ooops put two ?'s
and i know the box dont like...multiple?'s

yeah i saw how cleverly someone faked it...just as i fake it...but only the honest within themselves..can know they are not feeling it...so attempt to fake it...to make it...happen

anyhow its been happening[got a warning from my other postring site[indicatiung thgere soon might be action on some of the issues i been flagging..there and here...my attempts to pretend intrest...my attempts at faking it...to make sure their vile dont happen

ya all know soon you will need to have a licence to blog[seems the routers contract is comming up that joins the web to the net[or visa versa]...anyhow the tender is up[and the capitalists want power over the security agencies...and you lot faking it]

but if i wasnt faking
it i wouldnt have bothered

its nothing ....we chose to do
but that god allows ...to be done

they go one step too far...so lets stop pretending
put on our serious face...and say thanks for noting
and faking an intrest

ok hugs allround
if we need truth

get used to hearing it
...without getting angry..[or hurt]

its only words dammmit
yet dont take compulsory injections for this bird flew/with pigs flue..the cure is via gmo...think about that...gmo injected into your body...for a lie...

why..[demons.in mockkery...faking it...via pumping gmo into our bodies]..to mutate the human body..[and importantly our minds...back to the time of the beasts...for the beast-age of course..get the mess-age

Dear Antonios,

There's a few things you didn't know about me
that you need to know . You called me
'Middle-Class.'

I actually grew up in the working-class
western suburbs of Sydney. However, My parents instilled
in me the importance of education - they believed in
'women's rights,' way back - especially my mother -
they wanted their daughter to be able to support herself.
That was the ethos I grew up with - that nobody owes you
a living - you make your own way in this world.

I won a scholarship to university - obtained my degree
and then got married, travelled and worked overseas,
survived in the competitive world of the US job
market -came back to Australia - and obtained a further
degree while working full-time, and raising a family.
Some of this would not have been possible without the love
and support of my husband. As for women's rights?-
I've been practicing them all of my life.

Dear Piper,Bronwyn, Examinator, Houellebecq,

Thanks for all your comments - but as far as I'm
concerned - let's just move on.

I'll try not to be so flippant in future.

Oh Houel don’t make me reach for the vacillate.

He reads my posts and has decided they all contain secret message to him and how I want to leave my husband and be with him. E-mails started out all friendly and normal then he just kind of started drifting in to some really weird stuff.

Approx 42 e-mails within a couple of weeks saying I am going to be his wife. As well as describing how and when this should happen and what is going to happen in a bedroom.

I think soon as Foxy was involved for reasons that I do not believe were any honest comment on her post but more a reflection of was said to me about my husband in e-mail – well I snapped, then I had to edit out all the bad words and threats so that what I posted was watered down to such an extent it was practically a homeopathic post.

Piper,

How bizarre. I thought you were drunk or just mucking around and then AS's post came just after mine, fessing up to everything and I went... Wow.

Though if I had Cols email I'd probably do the same thing so I shouldn't judge.

How did he get your email? Maybe Graham can do something? Probably you're the type to go 'yeah good on ya spastic' and just ignore it though I suppose.

Ha, Imagine if Fraccy got those emails! Now that would be a classic. She'd go nuts! She'd race to Graham and he'd call her difficult!:-) Ah, so funny.

This place is a cack. I mean I thought it was funny when Formersnag wanted me to help write a thesis on his Auntie Nelly who destroyed feminism, but that's got nothing on this! Ah, I cant get over it. Priceless.

Ooooh, vacillate. You sexy thang. What are you wearing? :-))

Piper

OMG

Have no doubt of all the things I have done in my life I am proudest of my achievements as a trade unionist.
From loyal member to active delegate, now trusted and even liked by my membership.
Nothing beats that.
Youth saw me play the warrior role AS asks us all to play.
You had to to achieve anything.
Not now, like it or not, not again ever.
Now you may well be rude to your boss, but as the last thing you ever do,never the first.
Out think out fox, yes but insult and fight? you can not win.
Every day a story emerges that city workers would not think possible.
I found yesterday a workplace that has not had a lunch room, shower, toilet, for ten years.
no out back shed a NSW government department!
No cowardly workforce just workers who have seen past brave men sacked for standing up for issues like this.
It is the job of people like me, not them, to get that fixed.
And warlike acts are not needed.
Yes I went to war, the manager would not listen, but by the time I left he had promised to fix it, he will fix it, in very short time.
AS you live in past years no future exists for war in IR words are the new weapons not threats just brains.
We are PP in faking it, maybe I am now confused but at one level I still and forever can not stand true fakes.
And yet understand we all are sometimes in a less harmful way fakers.

G'Day All,
Antonios TPP had the decency to e-mail me direct to get my story & has had further communication since then. This woman appears to me as a decent person that tries to support people & as such without reading the correspondence that has occurred I would say though that you have severely misread TPP's mail.
Foxy don't take to much to heart as I said, Your posts show feeling & support of people in their anguish & from that point you rank my praise. As far as your support for womens rights I think you have demonstated that you stand for womens rights just you don't seem to be like the many radicals out there that want female domination of man.
All the rest I thank you for your comments & posts & appreciate those that have shown me different points of view.
As far as faking it how about a woman that says she wants our child home & to me displays that but behind my back is running me down to the max.
Anyway lets give the fight away & see if we can make a difference to this world " a journey be it a thousand mile or but one they both start with the first step".
Thanks for your time & may your Lord shine on you well. God Bless from Dave.

Julie TPP please Friend be careful.
I know you gave your e mail out to at least 2 please never do that.
I know your problem is real, am not surprised by it, must leave some thoughts about others lay unsaid.
It is true we are a group, like each other, but real life can be cruel.
I have seen great harm done by getting too close to people we do not know.
I would love a cupa with your husband and you, a dozen others here too, but lets not be unwise.
Names? not long after I started posting here, I got involved with debating a ,well I gave my full name in a few posts.
I never should have.
It hurt me, soon lies got around work sites about me, and here in the forum, dead issue I will not give life to, I won the silly slanging match.
How hard is it to find me? my nick name is Belly my surname is Bell, I am no coward, but why use our names?
Face book and such will bring great harm to the unwary.
Graham knows who I am, Forrest found me in a few seconds after the death of a PC kept me away.
Will some one please start a thread asking why we should say who we are.
And another could tell of things that others suffered by telling too much about them selves.
Let us never forget we all unknowingly read body language and the same is on display in the written word

G'Day All,
Well put Belly but that is life one big risk after another.
Thanks anyway from Dave.

Hey Houel, I gave my e-mail in public… Belly even suggested I might regret it and I was like “nah she’ll be right” – me always assuming everything will be alright.

Not Graham’s problem or anything and entirely my fault. But an interesting take on faking it when one even fakes a whole scenario for themselves without any evidence to support it but plenty of the opposite. And for weeks I’ve been running around going on about my husband – didn’t anyone think I was overdoing it just a tad? Even I was struggling to come up with new and wonderful ways to describe him. I sucked Yabby in to a conversation so I could mention how happy I am in my marriage. I started a thread about Wedding Vows! Oh well hell, it backfired all over the place.

Err you want to stalk Col? At the very least you’ll learn some new words.

Honey all I’m wearing is a rapidly thinning veil of patience.

Fractelle, I know. Hubby so wants a few seconds alone with the dude to have a conversation.

Hey Belly baby…maybe Graham could backtrack and delete your name now? I did do a gmail thing in public then after everything seemed above board I went to my bigpond e-mail and then it just went downhill rapidly. And it has freaked me out a bit; no man would still be standing if they tried to say to my face what has been said to me in e-mail.

Thanks Dave, you are proof of the decent people out there who understand what the word “friend” means.

Sorry Bronwyn, missed the earlier message… Foxy said Houel might have been right in the Wedding Vow thread, she was, of course, wrong.[smile]

Dear Piper,

They say you live and learn.

At least you'll be more careful before handing
out your email in future.

Personally, I agree with Belly - I prefer not to
give mine out. And, if I receive anything from
a name I don't recognise - I simply delete it
without opening it.

My suggestion for you would be to either change your
email - or if that's not possible for business
reasons - simple delete any emails you don't want to
read - eventually they'll get the message.

I'm so sorry Piper that you had this unpleasnant
experience. But the good thing is - this should
make you more cautious in future.

Pied Piper I'd seen a couple of the posts early in the evening but had not taken it all in, a fuller read now and I'm somewhere between stunned and sickened by what you have experienced. Not sure what to say except I'm thinking of you and your husband and wishing you the best.

Foxy "I'll try not to be so flippant in future." - please no, your original post was great.

R0bert

This thread has drifted into the X-File zone all of a sudden.

Col
I agree with you about manners. Not fakery at all but necessary in a civilised world.

TPP might be right we have gone off onto other tangents away I think from Belly's original meaning. Don't worry about ranting TPP I do it all the time.

we might as well burst all the puss out...intersexual social intercourse is fraught with traps for the unwary...i know i reply men more harse than woman..when i know i shouldnt...its just mens and womans business is clearly designated...i will admit my attempts at breast feeding were an abismal failure

saying i know anymore would just be a neo[new]..age version of faking it...having lived with one for over 34 years..and raised one for quater of a century...i note that the thinking gets fuzzy...and signals get mixed

showing love..[or its minour form]...is fraught in this..[these]..times of fear..the smallest kindness is able to be confused by the lonely..into much more than is on offer...or being sought..

anyhow/..im numb now...is there any less..addicktive topics going...

i wonder...this seems so much like ''these are the days of our lives''...

i come her to escape fictional reality...not mesh into it..more debating of the masses...and less mass de-baiting

The Pied Piper
You have right and I agree with you. ONLY A SIMPLE QUESTION , IF I WAS SO BAD WHY TWO DAYS BEFORE 25 August 2009 12:02:48 PM ON THIS THREAD YOU WROTE FOR ME
"Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. I have been so tempted on occasion..."
Posted by The Pied Piper, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 12:02:48 PM
I remind you that one day before I asked you to returm the foster children to authorities and come with your children to Adelaide.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I have no concerns with thread movements, our threads move like the sea, up and down paths we never saw coming
I find the result worth while, nothing to be afraid of.
My job drives me to ask a few things, AS that you drop the issue, and so too the emails.
No debate needed it is the best way to resolve this issue, you alone can end it now.
Again some one start that thread I have started a few too many of late .
faking it remains a thing like pelican said worth talking about, that social kiss, the friendly hug, from a person who hates you.
Some people driven by a wish to be some one they never will be live a whole life as fakes.
30 years ago, I took huge delight in requesting a drink t a party from a Cabernet full of top shelf liqueurs.
I knew they had been salvaged from others party's and refilled with colored water, faking it sickens me.
My cousin never had me to another party.

Piper

You have done nothing wrong, we take our chances when we give out our email addresses. I have done so here at OLO, fortunately the people I am in contact with are good people (both male and female) in fact one woman in particular has become a very good friend.

You should be able to block Antonius' emails check with your service supplier for this.

Antonius I am sorry that you read more into Piper's post than was there. I am sure that you will find your perfect Ms Right. However, a softly softly approach works best with most women.

Cheers

Thank you guys, thanks R0berrt. Antonios get a grip, my messages to other people were not secret messages to you. Your e-mails went in to a junk folder on arrival.

Like Fractelle I have met some lovely people through OLO who I have communicated with in e-mail.

What I have learnt is that you can’t “learn” anything from a single bizarre situation.

This has been unpleasant and very weird but I really have to believe it won’t be repeated in this life time or I’ll end up paranoid and that just isn’t an option I’m going to be okay with.

Most of you have been here longer than me – would you have thought this person unstable....Yeah that’s what I thought.[smile]

Hey Belly I’ve hugged a person I couldn’t stand, in the moment they needed it more than I needed to cling to my dislike, I went straight back to not standing them afterwards. Can’t say I consciously put my feelings aside but they just seemed to abandon me for a moment. It would seem fake to observers.

Give you another example within more Foxy’s take on common fakery … if I am honest with caseworkers I run the real risk of them just not sending any more children my way. It wouldn’t be admitted but it would/does/has happened. It isn’t about saying something in a tactful rather than vicious way, it’s is about shutting up entirely.

A fake silence is the worst kind for me to practice.

HEY LET REALLY TALK ABOUT WHO IS FACK-ING IT

Racketeering 101:..Bailed Out Banks..Threaten Systemic Collapse..If Fed Discloses Information

Zero Hedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/racketeering-101-bailed-out-banks-threaten-systemic-collapse-if-fed-discloses-information
August..27,2009

And so the guns come out blazing.

The Clearing House Association,..another name for all the banks that were bailed out over the past year..with the generous contributions from all of you,..dear taxpayers,..are now threatening with another instance of complete systemic collapse..if Bloomberg’s lawsuit is allowed to proceed unchallenged,..let alone..if any of the “Audit The Fed”..measures..are actually implemented.

As a reminder,The Clearing House Association consists of ABN Amro,..Bank Of America,The Bank Of New York,..Deutsche Bank,..HSBC,..JP Morgan Chase,..US Bank and Wells Fargo.

In a declaration filed in the Bloomberg Case..(08-CV-9595,..Southern District of New York),..
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/Clearinghouse_Decl.pdf

..the banks demonstrate no shame..in attempting to perpetuate the status quo with regard to the Federal Reserve..and demand..that the wool over the eyes of the general population remain firmly planted in perpetuity.

The Clearing House submits this declaration because the Court’s Order threatens to impair the ability of our members to access emergency funds..through the New York Fed’s Discount Window..without suffering the severe competitive harm..that public disclosure..of their identity will cause...

...Our members have accessed the New York Fed’s Discount Window with the understanding that the Fed will not publicly disclose information about their borrowing,..especially their identity.

Industry experience,..including very recent and searing experience,..has shown that negative rumors about a bank’s financial condition...even completely unfounded rumors..have caused competitive harm,..including bank runs and failures.

Surely transparency would facilitate rumor-mongering to an unprecedented degree...After all rumors spread much easier when everyone knows the true financial condition of banks.

And here,..in plain written Times New Roman,..you see what racketeering by a major bank consortium looks like:

If the names of our member banks who borrow emergency funds are publicly disclosed,..the likelihood that a borrowing bank’s customers, counterparties and other market participants will draw a negative inference is great

Public speculation that a financial institution is experiencing liquidity shortfalls...which would be a natural inference from having tapped emergency funds..has caused bank customers to withdraw deposits,..

..counterparties to make collateral calls..and lenders to accelerate loan repayment..or refuse to make new loans.

When an institution’s customers flee..and its credit dries up the institution may suffer severe capital..and liquidity strains leaving it in a weakened competitive position...

Pardon me if I am a broken record here,..but would rumors not spread much less..if there was more transparency,..if investors and other financial intermediaries were fully aware of the conditions of their counterparties,

if banks did not have to cover..their billions in reserve losses..by pretending they are viable..and essentially..being constant wards of the state?

The Banks’..racketeering...has gone on for far too long.

And yet,it does not stop:
the conclusion from the banks’..letter:

In sum,..our experience differs from the factual conclusions the Court appears to have reached..about the nature of competition in the banking industry:

•..The competitive harm to institutions that are publicized as needing emergency funding is not “speculative,”...but demonstrated by the recent multiple failures of financial institutions..whenever information about their funding difficulty..has been disclosed.

•The disclosure does not involve mere..“embarassing publicity”..but information that could result..in the immediate demise of an..[a bad]..institution.

•The disclosure..would not merely..“stigmatize..“the institution or make it “look weak,”.....but goes to its very viability...[ok its not viable...get it?}

•The disclosure of accessing emergency funding#..is not an..“inherent risk”..of market participation,...but an extraordinary risk in extraordinary circumstances...[wrought by treason]

•Competitors can use..the disclosure to advertise..or publicize..that they are financial stronger..because they don’t need emergency funding....[well didnt they?]


In a nutshell..the banks want their complete opacity cake..and eat it too,...or else,

the racket goes,on..the transparency that will somehow promote massive rumor mongering...will again destroy capitalism.[reveal its govt largess]

In the meantime,..the Ken Lewises of the world..can continue touting how stable their businesses,,are..based on optimistic future projections,..while implicitly,...they continue to survive...merely thanks to the cash granted them by your,....taxpayers.

full filling
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/Clearinghouse_Decl.pdf

TPP

<< A fake silence is the worst kind for me to practice. >>

My guess, Piper, and with the greatest of respect and admiration, is that you might find any kind of silence rather a challenge! :)

Foxy, the Pied Piper, it doesn't get more fake than a male using
women's rights and incessant emails to control women.

did anybody notice the indigenous model of management proposed
yesterday with dual male and female leaders and equal numbers of
male and female representatives ... maybe so women and men don't
have to fake being each other anymore?

Fractelle,
Are you joking? I never said it but that:
1. I started the flert not The Pied Piper, she was innocent.
2. My goals of cause was very clear, permanent partner, wife and I wrote it from my first emails. "I will give my credit card and home keys, when you are ready take your children and come to Adelaide" Very honest.
3. She is an honest and fair person, in her few last posts she is not very fair with me but I understand that.
4. The Pied Piper is very smart womam , the average IQ for Australians is 98, her IQ is more than I15.
5. She has right about my emails, I tried to speed up the whole procces.
6. I will be the last one who will blame The Pied Piper, she a nice human.
7. Belly wrote something about The Pied Piper personaly I have a good idea for her, probably her weakness are less and smaller than mine.
8. It is not fair and logical, for anyone to blame The Pied Piper, I tried and failed, this is part of life's games.
9. For sure I wish her happines and the best.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios I'm surprised that you are game to stick your head up around here at the moment. You really do need to learn to comprehend what people are actually saying. Amongst other things Fractelle did not criticise Pied Piper at all.

- Your behaviour in attempting to break up a marriage is disgusting.
- Your reported inclusion of sexual content into emails to someone who you have not met (and where there is no clear approval for that) is disgusting.
- Your lack of regard for Pied Piper and her family is disgusting.
- Your lack of regard for Pied Pipers passion for the care of children is disgusting in someone who claimed to love her.

If this is an example of the way you conduct yourself with others seek professional help urgently.

I'm left wondering how many of those you have bullied with claims of discrimination over the years were just innocent people who you chose to misunderstand because it suited what you wanted.

By the way why are you operating two accounts on OLO, I see posts on the same day's from ASymeonakis (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=49766)and AnSymeonakis (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=54996)?

R0bert

Bronwyn, hubby is sitting opposite me doing a work from home thing and mumbling stuff at his laptop with the odd swear word thrown in. He’s been rather focused and trying to concentrate as 5 small children keep running squealing through the house. At the risk of distracting him further I read out your post.

You gave him his first laugh of the day. If you were here he would probably hug you just for giving me someone else to talk to right now.

Whistler:“did anybody notice the indigenous model of management proposed yesterday with dual male and female leaders and equal numbers of male and female representatives ... maybe so women and men don't have to fake being each other anymore?”

What was that about?

Please Julie never think me, this old grumble guts sees any thing wrong in you or your posts.
AS please hear me, you must stop talking about this issue as step one, never ever send those e mails again.
And think about what you write, see what others say, not what you think they say.
You can take no other path.
The pied piper maybe you should get a bit tipsy and forget the whole thing, no not forgive , but do not let another's problems get you down.
It is hard and I never will know why, for a woman and man to be just mates, it should be the most natural thing in the world.
But to be haunted by some one is not acceptable for any sex.
Faking it, yes much more complex than I thought on starting the thread, even I am forced to understand I fake it here in OLO.
Some clearly have issues that shout stay away to me, yet I too often attempt to involve them in conversations.
I am well aware its time wasting and will never work.

RObert that is interesting, I had not noted the two different sign ins.
It was AN not AS who made the claim I wanted to go to meet him in Adelaide.
At best a mistake I certainly never ever said it.
You RObert continue to post wise and fair minded comment.
I have a feeling we all need to consider a few posters balance and judgement.
Communications in all its forms is two way, the art of seeing hearing and understanding what the other side is saying is beyond some.
While many will differ with my view it must be no easy task being a moderator.
But I can only hope, well best leave it unsaid but am upset at any one talking to some ones wife like that.
Maybe I am growing, just a year ago I would have expressed my views in stronger terms.

Belly baby no one thinks of you as a grumble guts. Well maybe a little when talking about the ALP thing recently and you weren’t very happy with them.

This issue – just a quick bleat Belly – OUG may have spotted something I didn’t. I call people “baby” and “hon” etc and my emails I often end with a XOX Julie. I am friendly and I am truly interested in people and how they feel, how they are, what is going on with them. I don't get out much, I don't meet many people and I genuinely enjoy people

But I swear on all children that not once did I or would I ever intentionally imply I was interested in a different life than I have. I wouldn’t mess with any person in that way, it would be the worst form of fakery I could imagine; toying with anyone’s life and emotions. And me being me I spent ages thinking “was this my fault” before deciding no damn it and then the confusion turned to being annoyed and then when it got into more explicit content I got angry.

I was going to not say anything in public and then look, I snapped in a very edited way.

Thank gawd for Houel, he said the perfect thing at the perfect time and made me laugh. But R0bert and you and the girls really helped because no matter what, the situation is shameful and that was what I was feeling.

And Belly, right now – I’m going to follow your advice so best everyone ignore any posts from me over the next few hours.

The Pied Piper faking being a member of the opposite sex may be overcome thus:

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/about/media/media_releases/2009/80_09.html
and
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/social_justice/repbody/report2009/community_guide.pdf

Dear Piper,

You did nothing wrong.

I agree completely with what Robert said.
Unfortunately, you got caught in a situation
over which you had no control. You can't be
held accountable for some disturbed person's
behaviour. And the behaviour was deplorable.

Stay strong - and know that you have our support!

Hopefully all this will pass quickly -
and will never happen again.

Antonios, I'm disappointed in you.

I think you should pull your head in and leave her alone, for both your sakes.

TPP for gawds sake stay Just as you are.
It Is not wrong to be friendly.
If I let every barmaid saying darl as they hand me a drink go to my head.
We like you the way you are, even Whistler, are you sure you are a bloke?
With that anti male bias towards females knows our posters know, this is a result of some one, sorry who has issues with manners and reality.
I however if it has not been done will start that thread.
We all should let the matter Drop but ts not in our hands is it AS?

R0bert
My post was a coment to Fractelle"I am sure that you will find your perfect Ms Right?"
"Your behaviour in attempting to break up a marriage is disgusting etc You know that there are 3-5 years from the first decision to separate-divorce where a maried person is only on the papers maried, you know one in two women will divorse.
The Pied Piper was very friendly to me for example
"Hey be happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb0V9B5f6g no idea what the words are but it sounded nice"
Posted by The Pied Piper, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 7:42:12 PM"
How can I know if she is ready to break her marrieg or not?
You speak for emails but no one from you asked if the emails was bad WHY she wrote on the forum for me 25 August 2009 ""Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. I have been so tempted on occasion..." Do you think The Pied Piper was angry with me two days bofore?
Did you check what I wrote and she admired my – "brutal honesty?" only few words "Do we have to lie our self for conditions which are shamefull for us?" This was directed connected to her!
In an other post she wrote about me ""I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle." Did you heard anything for the sex emails? No, I was one from her two men "The Walking Puddle"
She can not blame me NOW for the emails which I send for 5 weeks WHEN TWO DAYS BEFORE WAS HAPPY AND SHE ADMIRED ME.
Simple things, the problem was not the emails because they are older story. .
I try to turn readers against me than TPP BUT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED FOR THE TRUTH OR THE JUSTICE!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios I'd suggest you drop the topic. You are so far in the wrong in this that trying to play on comments such as that just makes it worse.

I admire aspects of a number posters character and thinking, people who I get frustrated with at times, sometimes angry but that does not change my admiration or respect for the stuff of real value which I see in them. That respect only changes when they show by their actions or words that they had been faking it and don't really hold to those values - such as a man who claims to be a champion of womens rights but in his dealings with individual women treat them with an utter lack of respect no matter how well earned that respect is.

R0bert

G'Day All,
I agree Belly, TPP stay the way you are friends & frienships cause people to smile & smiles are much better on a persons face than a frown.
RObert your suggestion to AS is probably one of the best bits of wisdom offered to AS so far.
TPP is a decent caring person & don't forget her (should i say)the "better half" (have a smile) in all this.
To AS there is nine dating, yahoo personals, or you have adult friend finder?, join one.

Probably not totally correct here but one off the wall of the Tent Hill Pub "if it has tyres or tits you will have trouble".
Thanks all, have a happy day. From Dave.

Note: The e-mails have stopped since this issue became public.

Antonios, the sex e-mails were disgusting and I thought if I said nothing back they would go away but they got worse and worse.

“The Walking Puddle” is a little toddler that I was referring to who was teething and dribbling everywhere. Fractelle – who that message was to - probably assumed rightly that I was talking about a child.

The comment about “brutal honesty” was to Col. He knows that because it was obvious and he responded to it.

One of the last e-mails I sent to you before maintaining a very long silence was to inform you I was married and that you should go find a single lady.

I do blame you for weeks of dirty and sexually overt message up to five times a day and all the e-mails repeating my posts in public with you translating them into secret messages to you.

Stop this now, just end this. I am married and I am happy and my husband is a good man and my best friend who I am completely in love with.

Dave, Belly, R0bert... thanks guys.

TPP “Err you want to stalk Col? At the very least you’ll learn some new words.”

Ah stalkers welcome.. I treat them like I treat telemarketers….
And it even has relevance to the topic of this thread

Incoming call (Indian accent) “Hello my name is Andrew/Stuart/Malcom etc”

My reply (using fake Indian accent) “hello Andrew/Stuart/Malcolm, my name is Ranjit”

A/S/M “How is your day”

Me “terrible, I have a sacred cow which died and now I have to bury it and the local council here in Kew are not helpful at all

Life is terrible for me.”

If I have not got rid of A/S/M we simply interrogate him further on chicken biryani recipes.

This is all a public service because, whilst A/S/M is being terrorized by me, he is not annoying the crap out of someone else.

ASymeonakis “The Pied Piper
You have right and I agree with you. ONLY A SIMPLE QUESTION , IF I WAS SO BAD WHY TWO DAYS BEFORE 25 August 2009 12:02:48 PM ON THIS THREAD YOU WROTE FOR ME
Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids …. ”

Was prefaced ( “Col:”The real life we could have is ….”)

and written of me, NOT YOU.

I give out my email address selectively, I have shared it with a very select few folk here… (btw David Boaz / Polycarp sends his best wishes)

But I use a pseudonym (answering Bronwyn’s comment of some posts back) because my family name uniquely identifies me, instead of me being lost in a host of other “Smiths” or “Browns”. Since I have also been threatened for daring to express a libertarian viewpoint by some left wing swill who stalk many political websites and I take personal security to heart, I will continue to maintain a boundary between me and those with lesser ethics.

Although I suppose I could set up a Col Rouge hotmail address… I might ponder that…

I would echo, word for word, the views expressed by Robert in his posts to ASymeonakis

The Pied Piper,
Julie when you wrote to me""Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately” or ""I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle." Do not you understand that with your posts you encouraged me to continue with harder one? I wrote according to my goals and your reactions.
The Pied Piper You are a good friend for me and you know that , THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

TO OLO
YOU ARE HYPOCRITIES AND FAKERS, YOU DO NOT CARE FOR THE TRUTH OR FOR JUSTICE
I am from a small number of posters who writes with his real name, I SAID THE TRUTH TO YOU AND TPP.
You can find many open or cover flerts on the forum but you close your eyes, you can find many ideas against the mariage including mine or TPP" she wrote "Feelings and thoughts of “love”; they weave in and out of a marriage but are rarely a constant"
You can not intetent that you do not understand these simple things.
Is it fair to encourage one publicly how good he/she is for long time and after the last day to discover how bad he/she is, how bad his/her emails are and humiliate him/her publicly?
I do not say this was a trap but it had the same results.
Do not you think that we should be honest and brave to a person who has been honest and fair and brave with us?
I KNOW MANY HIENAS AROUNT, THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THE HUMANS!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis

THANKS FOR NOTHING

That you do not understand basic English is your issue and problem.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do and speak Italian...

When in Australia do as the Australians do speak real English and make sure your comprehension of English is up to speed, especially if you wish to participate in written communication on a web board, then you might avoid miscomprehending the style of written English which is, obviously, several levels above whatever education plateau you have acquired.

I suggest ... you decline from criticising the intentions and written representations of others until you can effectively and clearly enunciate your own.

The following are copied and pasted OLO timestamps on all posts purporting to come from one Antonios Symeonakis to the 'Faking it' topic up to this point. Is one of them a fake? Look closely.

Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 9:52:52 AM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 12:27:10 PM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 12:42:37 AM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 12:37:43 PM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 2:30:06 PM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:55:01 AM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:20:06 AM

Posted by AnSymeonakis, Thursday, 27 August 2009 11:09:57 AM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19:32 PM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Friday, 28 August 2009 3:31:58 AM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Friday, 28 August 2009 12:17:08 PM

Posted by ASymeonakis, Saturday, 29 August 2009 7:51:24 AM

The following is a list of all posts by ASymeonakis to any OLO article or topic copied and pasted from the Comment History for userID ASymeonakis for the dates 26 and 27 August 2009.

26/08/2009 12:42:37 AM

26/08/2009 11:58:53 AM

26/08/2009 12:19:09 PM

26/08/2009 12:37:43 PM

26/08/2009 2:30:06 PM

27/08/2009 1:55:01 AM

27/08/2009 2:20:06 AM

27/08/2009 2:19:32 PM

As of making his post of Thursday, 27 August 2009 at 2:20:06 AM, userID ASymeonakis by my reckoning still had one post available to him on the 'Faking it' topic, nor had he exceeded the overall 24 hour posting limit, thus not providing any apparent immediate incentive for him to revert to a possible second OLO identity in order to continue posting to the topic.

Is OLO userID AnSymeonakis, who posted to 'Faking it' on Thursday, 27 August 2009 at 11:09:57 AM, faking it? Does this provide a clue? http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2711#60815

Well this takes the cake.

I've finally had enough of this nonsense.

Why on earth are we humouring this demented
wind-bag?

How many of OLO users come on to this Forum -
with a pre-determined agenda?

This guy's a user,
who uses his lack of language skills as an
excuse - 'don't pick on poor little me,'
I'm just a 'bastard migrant.'(his words - not mine).

Phooey!

I'm usually prepared to tolerate just about anyone -
but I strongly feel that in his case I'll make an
exception.

cont'd ...

What this guy wants is attention - that's
pretty obvious. And he's succeeding in getting it.
As long as we're polite and tolerant.

What if none of us were to respond to him at all
and we were to totally ignore him?

Perhaps he'd move onto another Forum where he
could preach to them about everyone's rights.
(And how he's for them) - that is - until people stop
humouring
him - then suddenly they tend to lose
their rights and become 'hyenas,' - right?

Phooey!

I'm not defending Antonios. Far from it. His actions towards Piper were totally indefensible.

The guy has already humiliated himself though and very publically. I don't think we need to grind him to a pulp.

Piper's a big girl. She's got good support here and at home. She'll be okay.

Antonios, you do need to apologise to Piper and most of all you need to learn from this experience.

A look at the history of AS/AN? clearly shows a massive difference in some posts.
I have highlighted it time and again, never once got an answer.
Foxy and RObert have said it like it is Forest has uncovered something we all did not see.
The crass insults to us is not new, how easy we fell for a story that said AS was WARRIOR for equal rights migrant rights, ext.
I see a problem here, have tried to step round it, inflicting pain on others, any one, should be the last thing we do.
But now AS you have failed to be a true man, failed to say sorry I got it wrong.
Sorry it will never happen again.
I see you have issues need some balance and understanding, even help, but doubt you will ever get it until you listen to others understand it is you who need to change not us.
I want to help every person who needs it but not you bloke,you got yourself into this only you can get out .
I doubt you are always in control of your thoughts get help.

Folks,TPP
AS has been Blasted by almost everyone, no matter how thick he is or isn't he must have got the message by now.
I'm not defending AS in any way but really, either push the button, the one calling for the editor or move on to a more interesting subjects.

Dear Bronwyn and Examinator,

I reacted to his very public insult of OLO members.
That was the final straw.
He insulted us all.

However, I have no intention of pursuing
the matter further -
and as for grinding him into a pulp - that's only
possible with someone who's sensitive to what others
say - he's not one of those people - who has an ego
that's impenetrable.

He owes us a public apology.
But I won't hold my breath waiting for it.

I'm moving on.

The Pied Piper, as a carer you have certain protections.
a violation against a carer is considered a violation against those in care.
you have an option to report a violation which will have the effect
of a home visit by authorities to the alleged perpetrator.
if you feel uncomfortable reporting a violation you might remind your provider
you are practising duty of care in a home in which children may one day bargain for internet access.

so i gather nobody here heard the most fabulous announcement
about gender equality in the entire history of Australia last thursday.
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/about/media/media_releases/2009/80_09.html
and
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/social_justice/repbody/report2009/community_guide.pdf

Good advice examinator we however have to look at Foxys post and understand it is true.
We should go to post history of AS/AN and take another look.
We have that right, we took him on face value, in fact we can learn much by doing just that.
I think we may have seen the last of AS/AN and yes pulping him may look unkind, maybe it is, but nothing like the actions that turned this thread.
I never even thought we would uncover a fake, but we did.
Other fakes or in my view fakes can be found on every corner.
I fell briefly for Mark Latham, now there was a fake.

Belly

I understand about the content of the amails but I can not understand why they was for so long time good and from one moment to the other they become so bad for public humiliation.
What will happen if you was in my position?
I am divorsed she send signals to me I responded positive simple thing, she was happy with me publicly, and one day whithout to tell me anything, she blame me publicly.
If TPP was for long time against me then there was a big problem with my emails but from the moment these emails was good until for-yestarday then the real victim is not TPP but me.
Do you like it? Do not you understand that every one, man or woman is at risk from public humiliation?
Do not you know that when we speak for partnership, for permanent parnership we speak for everything including sex?
Do not you see that the REAL victim is me? Do not you see that there is a BIG question for TPP
You are against me because I did what every one do and none ask TPP WHY SHE WROTE "Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately” or ""I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle." for me? Do we write these things for a bad person?
Simple clear thing, where is your interest for the truth and justice"
In my emails of cause I did not write only for sex but for many other things, including coments for the forum users! may be many forum users already know my coments!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Belly this is my email asymeonakis@hotmail.com
The truth within the truth. My mistake!

Dear Belly,

As I wrote in my earlier posts - nothing
but nothing will change with this person.
Now suddenly he's the victim.
He is seriously disturbed and
needs to seek professional help.

He also needs to have a person of authority
explain to him that unwelcome behaviour
of a sexual or sex-based nature is called
sexual harrassment, and is against the law.

It includes not only verbal of physical
behaviour, but written communication, such
as letters, notes, graffiti, or emails.

If Piper wanted to she could report him to
the authorities.

He should simply quit while he's still able,
and learn to keep his mouth firmly
shut in this matter - that was of his own
making - and a total disgrace.

But, he probably won't and will keep on and
on about this - until he's slapped with a
lawsuit!

Foxy thank you so much.

I can’t defend myself against what has been created in someone else’s mind.

Dear Piper,

You're more than welcome my dear.

All we can do now is ignore him,
and not respond to anything he says.

He's lost all credibility.

Antonios - we have an old Australian saying which holds that if you find yourself in a hole, it's a good idea to stop digging.

Leave it alone. Leave Piper alone.

Come back on another topic where you've got something sensible to say.

AS This is my final word to you, ever.
Every day I am asked for advice, you understand my job, I have given you the only advice that matters.
We each make mistakes, we learn from them.
You MUST never again mention TPP by name, never contact her.
Never mention this again EVER.
To me at least, it has been more than clear for long time, you are not always in command of your thoughts.
You must get some help.
Your e mail? do not be so silly, no way never I want to communicate with you.
You claimed I wanted to come to meet you?
KNOW this, your attempt to interfere in another's marriage is as low an act as you can get.
Find your self a forum that does not know you,change your sign in but just once understand your words say one thing your actions another.
You bloke are a fake and in need of help.
AS you give the evidence your self to prove I am right about you, by now having put your e mail out here some fools will have used it.
If you think I am one you are quite wrong, getting down to your level is not possible for me.

Belly:"how easy we fell for a story that said AS was WARRIOR for equal rights migrant rights, ext."

Erm...only the ideologues did that, Belly. it's easy to manipulate people who want to see everything in terms of "my enemy's enemy is my friend", since all you have to do is show some "solidarity" and they'll be jumping to join the conga-line of suckholes.

AS made a good point, too: if TPP didn't want his emails, why did she not say so clearly in private to him? From the way i read it, she was simply binning them, rather than acting on her dislike for them. If what he says is correct (and TPP hasn't contradicted him) the first time he was actually told they weren't wanted was on this forum.

ISTM that TPP was simply playing to the crowd and the rush of support for her shows this to have worked well for her. Bronwyn was, as she often is, a sensible voice urging restraint, but the rest were simply looking for a lynching, especially Foxy.

Frankly, Jewels has gone down a long way in my estimation as a result.

On a personal note, I have never bothered to debate AS because it's simply not possible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who seems not to possess the requisite language skills and who cannot therefore respond in a nuanced manner, quite apart from the fact that, like some others, his rants are largely unanswerable in any rational way.

Belly, you're a good bloke but as a Unionist you must know that some people are simply milkers of the system. One of the jobs of any shop steward is working out who's staunch and who's not and backing them accordingly. Perhaps you've been away from the shop floor a bit too long?

Anti you may be right, maybe I should have abused him in e-mail but everyone I did ask about it said to remain silent – I did state clearly (but obviously too politely) I was married and not available. I did tell him, several times.

Anti if I ran around reading your posts and deciding every single one was a secret message to me and then I e-mailed you a few times a day with translations you would think I was nuts wouldn’t you? A person who would do that would also misinterpret any private reply and would increase their correspondence because of the attention (even negative attention).

I said something in public because I got cross, it annoyed me that he was trying to tell Foxy her marriage wasn’t good – I think this was directed at me and an unfair thing to do to her.

You don’t want my defense or me to contradict anything; you don’t want an example of what has been said to me in private. It is humiliating to me, it is more than filthy. I shut up for weeks and my next course of action was to leave OLO so it would stop – hubby suggested this course of action although I was starting to get a real vibe of OLO being tainted anyway.

You blame me because others have defended me? It’s alright; I know you always take the other side in everything so I’m thinking this isn’t personal either.

What should I say? What do you want to hear? I told him, he wouldn’t hear it.

TPP:"You don’t want my defense or me to contradict anything"

Not true at all, Jewels. I read your posts with interest and I'd have thought you to be sufficiently discreet to try the back-channel route first. I don't know what sort of things you got, nor do I want to, but it should have been a simple thing to get hubby to write a "p!ss orf, mate, she's taken" to AS if you didn't want to do so yourself.

When I divulge my details to someone, I expect discretion and I act the same way. What is private is private, regardless of the mode of meeting.

From your response, I think you probably feel much the same way, but got angry that he wouldn't take silence for "go away" and overreacted.

It's interesting that this ties in well with the discussions about sexual ethics arising from Nina Funnell's article.

It seems that we all have a lot to learn about how others receive our communications.

TPP:"You blame me because others have defended me? "

No, I say you have the responsibility for taking a private matter public before trying to resolve it in private. I also give you the responsibility for choosing to correspond back-channel in the first place. AS has the responsibility for his actions, but they'd not have occurred if you'd not chosen the path in the first place. What did you hope to talk about back-channel anyway?

TPP:"I told him, he wouldn’t hear it."

Did you explicitly say, "I'm not remotely interested in having a relationship with you, I'm married and I like my life"? It seems to me that AS has such poor English and is so determined to hear only what he wants to that you'd have to be that clear. That's not your doing, but you have to take it into account when dealing with him, surely?

I'm sure you've learnt a fair bit out of your encounter, and I hope AS has, so all's well that end's well, eh?

Anti I think what I had learnt from a similar encounter years ago was that an aggressive “get the hell away from etc..” can have awful consequences with some people. When it comes at you in the form of some kind of infatuation and you throw it back in their face it can become very nasty and painful.

So this time I take the friendly “this isn‘t logical” “I am married” “go find a single lady” approach and when I realise the message isn’t being understood and encouraging further “yuck” replies I stop sending any.

I haven’t learnt anything except every situation is different and I get it bloody wrong 99% of the time with men.

Hubby would happily have told him to bugger off but I could see that being translated badly. It’s too hard to explain Anti – he decided I was some sort of prisoner in my home and that I should call the police. All public posts, even songs I sent people he decided were really to him. He thought people on OLO by their responses to me were either approving or disaproving of us running away together.

Silence was the only thing that made sense but I think I knew it was going to appear in public as he kept saying he was going to say something.

But I am now regretting I said anything first.

G'Day All,
AS how about leaving the topic alone & give it all a big miss. If you had of apologised for YOUR wrong at first then you probably could have got yourself out of the garbage & could have probably earned a little respect out of it all. People do like to see one eat humble pie & I couldn't see where many here would be that different.
I said before that TPP has & still is communicating with me in relation to my sons case & I have found TPP to be an honest & caring person who is interested in different things in life & the search of knowledge in the things that TPP might not know much about.
AS there is no way that you could read into the posts of TPP anything like what you are trying to imply, take notice of Foxy, Belly & others have your self seen to & if you want to contact me to give me a serve then graysond49@yahoo.com is my e-mail take your garbage out on me but leave TPP alone & the others here OK.
Thanks all have a happy day & may your Lord shine on you all well.from Dave.

Dear Piper,

I'm going to sound like a broken record here -
but I'm going to repeat, you did nothing wrong!

The man committed a criminal offense. Plain
and simple.

You don't owe anyone further explanations -
this is not about 'lynching,' anyone.
A person who's lived and worked in this country for over
16 years - gets an income of over $60,000 as he claims -
as well as having the high IQ he claims to have -
should by now at least be able to understand the basic
concepts of the words - "NO! -I'm happily married!"
and for someone who says that they are 'for human rights,
migrant rights, workers rights - all sorts of rights,'
he certainly did not show any respect for the rights of
a women he claims to have fallen in love with.

The fact that Anti... doesn't get it, is somewhat disappointing.
However not surprising I guess, - considering his past anti-
female stands on so many issues.

Now however, let it go Piper - enough said on this topic.
Chalk it up to an experience that you definitely could
have done without - but one that will hopefully never
happen again. Ever!

Big hug.

It's like feeding time for the Piranhas.
Its an ungracious look for the some individuals and OLO. imagine if a novice was to walk in on this what would they think? some private club? If I err is this what I can expect?....no thanks.

Having made the point why not simply ignore AS and the topic.
He'll get the point. All this confabulation only exacerbates/prolongs the issue.

I also note the blinding hypocrisy of some who have been also guilty of bad behaviour(more than lack of manners) jumping on their sanctimonious horses and in for the kill.

Do I mention that it appears that the 'offense' was outside of OLO.
I too have contacted a few by back channel if any of them had gone sour it would be clearly up to me to sort it out not try and form a posse of OLOers .

On OLO the offense would have involved us all and consequently we all could use the provided mechanisms. While I see a point in 'warning others' I think the issue is now clearly out of control and feeding on its self.

Sorry Belly, having all made the point as clear as it will ever be to AS let's abandon the topic and please move on.

that settles it

your all on my list

i read my friends post's
but
read my enemies ....twice

right

ya all on my list

not sure which one yet for some of ya
but know im reading you
watching your words

why?

cause YOUR on my list
live with...it

im not faking now
see i got my serious face on

what ya mean cant see it
im telling you

your all on my list
every one of you

you too

I mean, like, oh my God, did you, like, totally see that? Oh, wow, you've got to be, like, kidding! Totally. Helloooo? So I think, you know, like, whatever. Shut up! Totally.

pontificator,

'try and form a posse of OLOers'

Get......
your.....
hand......
off.......
iiiiitttttt.

Nobody has done anything of the sort. Anyway, I seem to remember you being very well involved in the castigation of yours truly when I pissed on the dining table of the OLO etiquette police, when the 'Save Fractelle' posse was in full swing that time.

The most sanctimonious of OLO residents has decided to come over all faux indignant at people being sanctimonious. You don't even need smileys or a secret OLO club of private messages to laugh at this one.

Piper is like Ferris Bueller. She's popular with the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, slVts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, d1ckheads - they all adore her. They think she's a righteous dude.

Being as it is OLO a popularity contest, the verdict is...
You lose. Piper wins.

OUG,

I think you are speaking to me in profound supernatural voices lately. I have become infatuated with your posts. Do you know of any support group for people who used to ignore you because you were too hard to read, but now find themselves smitten?

It is so true; when I joined OLO OUG was the first person I decided I had to read thoroughly – never come across the message style before and I became rapt. He’s amazing aye, inclined to occasionally be a little morbid but keeps you thinking.

No one is going to listen to you praising me Houel, everyone knows you’re biased and Kiwi chicks rock your world.

What happened to Fractelle – was it over in the evil article section? Where is she? If I find out it was you again I’m going to so throw a few “[frown]’s” your way, yeah you better watch out.

Dave bro, knuckles.[smile]

Foxy baby, I do hate it when Anti has a point but he does. Not that I’m taking it on board or anything in the blame game (now) but I think his point was that my reaction was too nice in this instance. And the problem with once you have decided to use silence is that you really do have to stick with it.

Life would be so much easier if we weren’t all so different. Hubby thinks you’re great by the way but wont log in since hearing gossip about an OLO wife swapping club.

Exam, ‘sup. A novice here so feels like it’s a clique (sanx for the word Houel), can’t be helped since after awhile there is a little history and old arguments bought up to beat someone to death with. I bet most new people come in and get scared and run away or they only arrived to leave one message before heading for the hills. You can see the people are familiar with each other here and the bits and pieces of contempt and favoritism that have built up over time.

This little thread wouldn’t be half as scary as the NRL ones to new users. Imagine the first message you ever read being from Anti? Or you and Yabby discussing that stuff you get from books. I still get scared.

Dear Piper,

I'm glad that you're back - with your sense of humour
still in tact.

I'm leaving for Sydney early tomorrow morning (for
about a week) -- so I'm well and truly - moving on.

I was tempted to blow a few raspberries at
some people before I left - but I'll save them for another
time (must be nice - must be nice - must be nice)!

PS: Now I know why God invented the middle-finger!

TPP you have done nothing wrong.
Anti I say it like I think, mate have stood up for you, will do again if its needed.
AS is his own worst enemy, call me what you like his name calling about my country and its people hurt.
examinator while your advice is good, he came back and put the boot in, never start a fight but never walk away from one is my view.
Shop floor? I will be dead when I do not live there, amung workers hearing them, learning from them, serving them.
A unionist always try to protect people who have been king hit.
Antiseptic I forever stand for a fair go for all, nothing any body said in OLO should have lead AS to do that.
His problems are of his making not anyone here.
Room does exist to get back to the threads subject or even let it die however.

Houellebecq
There are many evidents in the forum I am creating a web site where I will write all the evidents. YES I WROTE FOR SEX BUT I WROTE FOR MANY OTHER THINGS FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS.
What you do not know is that in my emails I was against FOXY, EXAMINATOR, AND LESS AGAINST FRACTELLE and I wrote for you and Col Rouge that you have strong moral code. They have good reasons to want me out of the game as I was ready to attack the hypocrities, TPP knew it and tried to protect Foxy.
Back of the story is not the sex (I was preparing to marry her) and her posts show it, BUT ALSO POLITICS!
Yes the attackers against me come from about the same political group,
and MAY BE THEY KNOW my intensions to give them their life's lesson.
For unkonw reason, I think I know what happened. TPP played their game.
Do not forget that the story started when I attacked Foxy for weakness and hypocricy.
What realy happened is that TPP was happy from my emails and last minutes trying to support Foxy she humiliated me publicly.
Yes my emails had sex too but TPP was happy as show her posts to forum and of cause she knew that I was preparing to marry her.
THE FORUM IS FULL OF EVIDENTS.
""I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle." or few days before " Well see that is what I admire about you – brutal honesty. But don’t forget the kids, can’t be running around going “well that drawing is just bloody awful throw it in the bin immediately”. Much more!
We used different languages to comunicate, usualy I use metaforic or symbolic and TPP seem to be good with distruction language, in this language, (as she wrote in the forum) the writer writes what he/she wants and the reader understand what he/she wants.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Belly:"Antiseptic I forever stand for a fair go for all, nothing any body said in OLO should have lead AS to do that."

It wan't what was said on OLO, mate, it was what was said back-channel. For what it's worth, my take on AS has always been that he is a terribly lonely man, haunted by demons of his own devising and with a chip on his shoulder always ready to fall off. Jewels should have had more sense.

The response of OLOers to him is quite revealing though. Because he said what some people wanted to hear, he's been lauded by them and allowed to "get away" with a lot more than others might. His apparently poor English also helped get the sympathy vote from some of the bleeding-hearts. Was he "faking it"?

TPP:"I think his point was that my reaction was too nice in this instance"

No, my point was that you went from "nice" back-channel to blurting the whole thing out online. If you were worried about his response back-channel, how much worse must it have been for him to see it here?

As I've said, I don't read his posts, but your actions have now basically taken OLO away from him for reasons only marginally related to the site, when he obviously enjoys spending time here. That's harsh.

Anti, look up dude, read that post. He’s still here and he could easy hang about and share his opinion about anything. But his public responses aren’t filthy so I guess something worked. Now how do I stop a site being created?

Antonios:”… the writer writes what he/she wants and the reader understand what he/she wants.”

How fucken convenient.

G'Day All,
AS I gave my e-mail so you could bitch & grip to me so give it all a bloody big miss will you.
TPP don't let him get to ya aye sister gal & the rest just ignore it.
You all have a pretty good site here don't let AS destroy it.
Faking it, is that the same as a person being assessed as having a "histrionic" personality? Just thought I would ask as the ex was assessed as that.
Anyway this is one that should liven our day up;-
What is the difference between a nun's headdress & a moslem ladies headdress? Not much with the nun it is a habet.
Thanks for your time & have a great day from Dave.

The following is a copy of the entire content of OLO userID AnSymeonakis' first post to OLO:

"I have tried to send text to forum many times withougt success I registered with a new email and I tried to sent a text with the new name but I failed. PROBABLY I BLOCKED FOR EVER!
Antonis Symeonakis
ADELAIDE
Posted by AnSymeonakis, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 10:20:58 PM"

Up until 7:00 AM on Tuesday 1 September 2009, 103 posts had been made to OLO under this userID, 100 of them General Discussion posts. By comparison, OLO userID ASymeonakis has posted a total of 897 comments: these being 99 article comments, and 798 general comments, since his first post on 22/01/2008 at 7:14:48 PM. Since 24 April 2009 ASymeonakis has made nearly 250 posts under this userID. Taking at face value what appears to be a confession to using multiple identities on OLO made in AnSymeonakis' first post, and accepting the intra-post signature as meaning both userIDs represent the same person, that means a total of around 350 posts to OLO since 22 April 2009. That may seem a lot of posting activity for just one person, but represents an average posting rate of 2.65 posts per day for the 132 days involved.

A post shown in ASymeonakis' posting history timestamped Saturday, 25 April 2009 4:11:38 PM (See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2721#61020 ), makes a general reference to claims of trolling being used as a basis for the blocking of posting.

It is interesting to observe that there was a total posting drought from ASymeonakis between 18 March 2009 and 24 April 2009. One question is: had he been suspended by OLO during this time, and if so, was the establishment of the userID AnSymeonakis an attempt to circumvent such suspension?

Another question is: is he (they?) pulling OLO users' chains?

Where is the GELATO when you need it? (See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2479#56848 and a subsequent post in that thread)

Hey Dave, I found this… Seems to describe an extended teenagehood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others.

Forrest. Your GELATO thing was interesting but the thread it was in – what a mess.

So to log in as different people you need to have a PC per person? But PALE could log in with its multiple users as a sort of accumulation of people or kind of a network situation in an office.

You were more wanting a facility to allow an alert to be given if it looked like someone different was using a username or the same person using two different usernames?

i dont feel like reading or talking
i think i finally grew up

?

Thanks Forrest I will never have your ability to research or put the case so well.
I however have time and again said we are having our legs pulled.And highlighted the great difference in posts.
I have much stronger views about mental condition of one at least.
It is true antiseptic that he enjoys being here.
You and I know he could stay.
He however keeps throwing logs on the fire.
If he walks away from the subject, say tells a few he is sorry.
Appears in other threads without returning fire, he could get over this.
Do you think he would even try?
Confrontations can never be fixed by denial.
I sitting down with the bloke or here could give advice, I have, but he did not and will not take it.
The most likely outcome is the continuing Actions of these two posters, or is he one? will lead to self banishment.

Belly, the alleged offender ceased and desisted when reminded the
unsolicited sexual advances he admits amounts to the criminal offence
of sexual harassment.
however, when further posts supported his behaviour he returned and
remains a potential further threat depending presumably on any
further support he can garnish.
there are several male contributors to this forum who simply don't
appear to have the interpersonal skills to interact with women.
this must create enormous frustrations in their lives which they
take out, and pack, through the anonymity of the internet.
i would advocate a "boorish" icon which a reader may hit when a post
appears overty negative or personally derogatory. should a
contributor accumulate sufficient hits the posts reported should be
reviewed and the contributor suspended or removed if validated.
i can't imagine anybody here apart from the perpetrators who enjoys
reading incessant negative and derogatory remarks from self-appointed
agent provocateurs who are otherwise silenced in public by their
degenerative social disorders.
this should also have the effect of weeding out apologists for
alleged sex offenders.
as to a cure for the ascribed social disorder, that can be achieved
with the empowerment of women through the declaration of an equal
rights republic so the confusion of identity at cause can be clarified.

I have the greatest respect for examinator who dislikes the direction this thread has taken.
I never knew we would see events unfold as they did.
But let us be honest.
AS was controversial in most threads, some intensely so.
Yes I warned, after the e mail address appeared TPP.
But nothing justifies AS,s behavior.
I truly thought we could progress move on, but in the strangest way that support did keep me posting here
I think a fresh start may well be the best defense TPP could change her e mail.
But she should, please never change her happy go lucky grin on her face ways.
Crimson hell, surely we can laugh?
Do you know I fell sorry for AS? dislike for his actions, surprise and concern about weird differences in posts.
Dismay at his belief we treat migrants cruelly.
But yes it appears web posting is an outlet he needs.
Do others think sympathy, something I too clearly have can override concerns at his actions and insults to us here.
Sorry we men must not forget ever, we claim to be the stronger sex and that we protect our women and children, some do not.
So kick me for thinking as I do but look at the post history of this bloke, ask why we fell for a fake?

Thank you for being you Whistler.

Hey Belly baby, see that’s where internet stuff is very strange, I am physically well protected at home by my family and I’m quite good at defending me if an occasion arises but really there is little defense within the confines of my computer.

Those many e-mails I received were really bad (and I remind you I am no delicate thing) and for him to imply it was all okay because he wanted to marry me is mindboggling. I suspect in any culture what has been sent to me is not sane. If I mentioned my husband in OLO posts he had decided I was really talking about him.

That day I left the first post about it in this thread the e-mails stopped but his most recent post here I find rather distracting – this talk of creating a website and again saying I left messages to him in public posts in some weird language. This “EVIDENTS” (sic) mentioned.

Excuse me a moment Belly…

I warn you now Antonios; if this is taken any further I will consider it an assault and I will react without any further thought to your privacy or one shred of concern for the damage it may do you personally.

This is the only warning I ever plan to give you.

TPP: “That day I left the first post about it in this thread the e-mails stopped but his most recent post here I find rather distracting – this talk of creating a website and again saying I left messages to him in public posts in some weird language. This “EVIDENTS” (sic) mentioned.”

Don’t worry PP - this man is as deluded as my new ex girlfriend Kate.

Antonios,

You bad man. You big idiot. Leave my lady alone. All those beautiful things she said to other people, she said for me. Capiche?

She my woman on forum now if you don’t cut this bull I come to Adelaide with my rights activist comrades to talk you good and hope not break leg (I hear public transport not good). OK?

I think he is gone, I truly do, I think without reserve he is not in control of his thoughts.
But you have said it PP IF, well leave it drop it we can leave the thread or move the subject on.
But we gain nothing by continuing this subject.
I know TPP you can defend yourself, your husband and tuff nut daughter can too.
But let us all defend ourselves by not letting this person get to us, lets move on .

G'Day All
Well said Belly, You have warned him TPP everyone has supported you so I think he is just plain deluded.
I don't know how he would have went with the older Barmaids with the Loves, Darls, Hons etc that they used to use (some still do) this bloke would be forever divorcing & marrying with each Pub he went to.
Anyway until he can apologise to all you out there for HIS offences then just ignore him.
Have a great day all the best from Dave.
One from King Billy Coke Bottle,
Silly Morton rings up & says he is getting married for the 4th time, So I say, Morton Why don't you find a woman that don't like you & buy her a house. Thanks from Dave

sorry about the confusion piper...but the issue needed a clear warning be given...this i now note you have done...reading other posts has become a chore with no sum gain

consatantly rehashing will only mean as needs to rebut...by what he percieves...explains it all...yet in constantly explaining we either get the same same..or different...both indicate either fixed thinking..or loose interpritation of the evidence

its like watching a car wreck...its titilation for the mmmmm-asses...you are intently compassionate/sensitive and caring...it is said that in the heavens there are many beautifull people...in fact all are perfected...

your words are revealing your soul...it gets complicated to try to explain...think of..your pure soul/as reveal;ed by your words].. as water...and the world is thirsting for water...not truth..

in fact many seek to avoid obvious truths[you have the right to say finito/fini-shed/..enough..no more...i see soul suckers sucking oiut the last drop...going in for a kill to reduce possable future oppisition...

not by directly calling for cencure...but something...they..feel supports..their pre-conceptions...from futrure rebuttal...

we ended the faking
now..we all know where we stand
matter over
case closed

decision...to old grumpy men...get a life..
there is more to this...
only..in...our.....minds

Belly, you will have to change your name every time I use it my eyes drift to my girth & I don't know whether your having a dig or what.Have a laugh. Dave.

Terrible aye Belly, from a subject about Faking it everything became a bit honest.

At the risk of upsetting feminists and stuff I will say something about my daughter. She got herself a boyfriend about a month ago and there has been a huge change. She’s still too feisty for comfort but it appears to have settled her down more than I could have hoped.

I have two teen daughters now and for the next few years. No, no idea what I was thinking.

Oh Seeker, poor Kate. That was brilliant, I’d put money on Houel’s reaction – hope he has a good screen cleaner.

OUG, I’m having a think about your post. I didn’t see it before my previous reply.

And because you are the only one I’ve ever left a coded message to – one small soul is coming for the weekend and there has been no movement in this case as we await a specialists report. The specialist needs to talk to me but there is a conflict… I hate him.

Weird huh but one word from him caused so much damage to a child I loved a few months ago and now to help another one I have to fake how I feel? I really don’t think I can.

Anyone? That kind of fakery and control and sacrifice/suppression of emotions? See I’m not that nice, I know the right decision but don’t know if I can do it. I am hoping my opinion is not pivotal.

Dave, keep ‘em coming.[smile] I think the barmaids probably give better clues with body language and tone. They can be friendly and flirty without it ever being taken the wrong way or just one person in the pub thinking it is all for their benefit. If all men reacted to me the same way in e-mail maybe I’d figure I was doing something wrong but this was the only one off the chain.

Have the message colours stopped alternating?

piper>>..no movement in this case..as we await a specialists report. The specialist needs to talk to me..>>>its the next step...think of it as the final 'straw'...if he needs to talk to you
dont hesitate
tell him to visit anytime...your duty to the children takes higher ceedance than his needs..but is the next step...this is your only exit point

<<but there is a conflict…I hate him.>>>dont sweat on it...he hates everyone...you hate so few...think of it as karmic inevitability...sort of like birthing a child...follow your protective mothering instinct...

ask questions...dont reply them...he isnt egsamining you..he should be egsaming..WHAT NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO...he should be egsaming the PROBLEM...he has huge powers...make him/her.. use them

<<Weird huh but one word from him caused so much damage to a child I loved a few months ago and now to help another one I have to fake how I feel? I really don’t think I can.>>>you dont need to fake...dont even try...just be you piper..say it like it is...with firm eye copntact..look into his soul[..via his eyes]..eye contact with a mother..is a wonderouse expression of loves-power

<<I know the right decision but don’t know if I can do it. I am hoping my opinion is not pivotal.>>you opinion matter not in the least...fate chose you...in truthy this very thing is why you chose your life path...its no accident..[god dont allow misstakes]

do as much..or as little as you can bear...your the next step...or call pass...and no one could blame you...histry hasnt fixed this mistake...till this gaping wound is healed nothing else can change...dont give opinion..or explain what/how you do as you do..

but firmly reply..their questions with your own