david f
1. At least from now on we must create our cities, towns NOT ON FERTILE AREAS.
2. We must take water from the sea to our semi- arid, arid and finaly to deserts. the whole process will take some time BUT we start from the easy one, from the part which will give the best results in the soonest posibly time.
We have plenty sea waterand land but we are VERY LAZY AND OUR GOVERNMENTS WORK FOR THE CORPORATIONS AND THEIR FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS NOT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.
I am going work , no free time! Sorry
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis “I try to enter from the back window”

Well bugger, I have heard of that approach too… different topic same approach…

“Col Rouge, I know you have a bleading heart”

News to me but I do have a bleeding problem with my heart.. its down to that “warfarin” which Peter the Believer thinks is some kind of mind altering drug.

“solve human problems and how to support human society.”

That is easy…. Leave folk to decide for themselves.. the strong will prevail and the weak will perish… and it does not need degrees in rocket science to make it happen.

“Is not it funny that bastard migrants try to become colonists and the colonists...chicken!”

List me among the “bastard migrants”… I came here in 1983, wife and child and qualifications established … after waiting in line like a lot of other migrants..

As to the chickens.. i would not know about them…. I prefer to chew on roo…

“VERY LAZY AND OUR GOVERNMENTS WORK FOR THE CORPORATIONS AND THEIR FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS NOT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.”

So that’s the real reason there is no huge city called “Birdsville” (only a pub). Because of a corporate conspiracy to ensure Australia remains barren.

A few problems there..

Corporations are owned by shareholders who are actually iltimately "people".

Some corporations actually pay me (handsomely) to develop prediction systems to help them anticipate the future so they can plan accordingly.

No corporation has ever found success through limiting its commercial opportunities.

So your assertion, for the reasons above, is utter bunkum.

Oh one quick aside.... has anyone mentioned the effects of sea water on arable land… something to do with “salinity” (I think)….

As for “I am going work , no free time! Sorry” –

I only hope that job has nothing to do with aircraft or nuclear power-station maintenance.

My Bible tells me that when I work with God nothing is imposible. Seeing as God isn't here to do the work I guess us Human beens must. If we work together for good we acheave but if take we take God out of the equasion,self and devision takes over. Where there is unity God commands the blessing. Unity doesn't happen it takes a lot of humble pie and swallowed pride. We have the knowledge to make the deserts bloom, that is not the problem. Man proposes and God disposes for unless God builds the house we labour in vain. Belly before you pontificate on on the kingdom of God read the book of Ecclesiastes.

Poverty is not caused by lack of land space. It is a complex issue that, while well intentioned, turning deserts into green spaces is only a bandaid to the problem. The real issue is overpopulation in areas where food is scarce, lack of social support, economic inequity and corruption.

Why do we humans always want to force ourselves onto nature in ways which impact greatly on our environment - would it not be better to work with the environment which is actually quite adaptable as long as it has time to replenish itself.

*VERY LAZY AND OUR GOVERNMENTS WORK FOR THE CORPORATIONS AND THEIR FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS NOT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.*

Not so Antonious, in fact your comment is a bit of an insult to
those living in the outback. But I put it down to "ignorance
is bliss" , well meaning, but totally impractical, from a bloke
who really does not understand the outback and its challenges.

Before you propose any more dreams, grab your swag and go out
there for a few months, meet the locals and learn what they
know, its far more then you think. They do what they do for
good reasons.

There is in fact no shortage of food. Does 20c a kg for grain
sound too expensive for you? Would you like to buy 1 million
tonnes? Its for sale right now, if you have the money.

Antonios our species has already done massive harm to this planet (which we depend on to live) in the quest to meet human needs and concerns. There is always a "need" which can be seen to justify more.

Caring for the existing environemnt is not disregarding the human needs but it includes a recognition that if we continue to soil our own nest we will eventually end up with much bigger human problems.

I suspect that for Australia rather than worrying about transforming true deserts we would get much better gain in working out how to revitalise existing farmlands. It should include finding or developing food crops which are more reliable in the environment we have. It might include finding efficient ways of shipping cities waste water to farm areas where rainfall patterns have changed but in doing so we'd need to ensure that we don't then cause salinity problems with rising groundwater levels.

We can work on making home gardens even more practical, I get quite a lot of nibbles out of my little yard. We could promote community gardens where resources are pooled, people meet and those without the resources to have their own garden can still be involved.

There are a lot of things we can do which don't involve destruction of yet more wilderness.

R0bert