MaryE
some of the posts prove that a little knowledge and or dogma are indeed dangerous.
Chemical determinism and all its consequences are at best overstatements on steroids.

It has not and as things stand can't be been proved that to change a psychopath to a normal person just add estrogen et al.Where as experimental research have determined that there are many other factors at play.

The bulk of the professional researchers tend more towards your simplification than the unprovable "the don't blame us our genes/hormones made us do it" cheer squad.

There are just too many possible variations on a theme to justify the outrageous misinformation being dredged up yet again by those trying to hijack the topic into the above version of deterministic rubbish.
Perhaps someday in the future we maybe able to define an individual by their genes and hormonal motivation but to do that logic dictates we will need to be able to not only define but quantify all the other influences that make up or cause a specific action.

The broad brush strokes that estrogen = nice calm and testosterone = aggression is so qualified and conditional as to be therapeutically/diagnostically almost meaningless

Protagorus
You said; Any self-respecting hooker I know will not take your money unless you wear a CONDOM

Care to take your foot out of your mouth so you can put the other one in.

You have just admitted that if a woman does not wish to fall pregnant then they would insist on a condom. Does this then mean that if they don't insist one that they are simply a 'man trapper'?

I don't think anything else needs to be said as Pr has summed it up perfectly in my view.

I'm really starting to think my sarcasm is totally undetectable. Too funny. Hey Maybe I'm like Dave Graney in Rock'n'Roll is where I hide.

People would sit behind me at cafes and say he thinks he’s invisible watch
Jees you know I hate to keep em waiting i tried my best I got quite upset

Then I thought
Ahh it’s not such a bad thing
To be seen as a guy who thinks he can’t be seen
Even though I know I can
It’s quite a trip

I mean in certain circumstances certain places
Anything goes if your known
If you’ve got a name around town as a guy who’ll do anything if nobody’s looking
But if any body’s looking
‘Cause they think he thinks he can’t be seen
I mean they scare

Like they think I can’t see em
It’s like I’m flying
Like I’m invisible
Ah you know soon

Everybody’s looking
Because they think I think nobody’s looking
So I can’t not be seen so I’m not looking at them I know exactly where they are

And even if I was they couldn’t see me because they’re too busy waiting for me to dematerialise right there in front of them

I think I could post exclusively in song lyrics really. Probably be quite an improvement!

rehctub,

He had me at '*self respecting* hooker'.

...snif he had me at self respecting hooker. (For Jerry McGuire fans)

Yeah song lyrics Houel, I think I could say everything I need to using Lenard Cohen alone.

Fractelle:“As for those men who do evade responsibility for their children, they can because it is generally easier, as women still do the bulk of child-care. As men put more emotional investment into their children, then leaving them would be more difficult wouldn't it? Women have a head-start - placing a baby to one's breast to feed it, nothing beats that. Nothing.”

I could write a list if it would help Fractelle.

Breastfeeding is more often a messy, painful and exhausting process and all power to mums that see it through the mess, pain, and exhaustion to the bitter end where it is commonly about feeling rejected – and even more mess.

The advantage men have is they just need to think it is their baby and look at their baby to bond and it can go wrong for either sex in both circumstances.

IMOLO the fathers who “knowingly evade” responsibility suck. Offline I use much stronger language to describe them.

Kids leave my house at a about an average rate of one a month. We never know at the other end if they were allowed to keep their accumulated and often expensive clothing and toys. All their stuff is packed and sent with them because it is the right thing to do. The adults at the other end could well hate my guts and convince a child we are bad people. Care factor; zero.

Doing what is right in regard to a child is not negotiable and not for external reward or recognition.

Protagoras: “A couple of weeks later when I was performing an underhand "bedroom blitz" (I don't believe in this "privacy" rubbish for pubescent teenagers), I discovered a packet of condoms.”

I felt better when I found some used ones. Then I just needed to talk about cleaning rather than parenthood.

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Protagoras
Thank god for the legalise brothels hey. At least there a guy can have a one nighter, pay up front and never be bothered again. And remember IT TAKES TWO!
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Posted by rehctub, Friday, 7 August 2009 9:17:15 AM
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The truth is different because the Family court of Australia declared a man to be the father of the child of a prostitute when she claimed she had fallen pregnant of him and he refused to subject himself to DNA testing. So, he paid for the prostitute and ended up afterwards having to pay for about another 18 years!
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As to children being registered without father being known, my wife (while we were married) had two of our children registered in her maiden name and “Father unknown” on the birth certificate even so the divorce decree shows the children being children of the marriage, showing both the registered name my former wife used (including her maiden name as surname) and their names as children of the marriage with my surname then as their surname. And the Family court would do nothing about the incorrect registration and the Registrar of Birth claims that because she registered the children as being unmarried then that is it.
While the Family Law Act is supposed to be about children rights and judges claim to pursue the best interest of the child reality is they generally couldn’t care less. In my view no child born within a lawful marriage should have to go through life as being born out of wedlock without the father being known. It is however a trick women use so that in the event there is a divorce then the husband cannot claim custody unless perhaps paternity is established and by then generally the wife (ex wife) will have already obtained interim custody!

Houellebecq
"You seem like a really wonderful person"
My friend I want and I try to be a good person but you know better than me if I am.Thank you.

The Pied Piper
"The advantage men have is they just need to think it is their baby and look at their baby to bond"
This not an advandage BUT A disadvantage ...Can you tell me how deep, how strong is the connection between mother and her baby from its first move? Do you think only mothers want so strong connection with their children but not the fathers? Are you sure you understand father's love for their children or you think they do not or can not love the children as their mothers? Are you harder than I thought or this is temporary?