One under God.
You cannot remove god from the picture, everything, including the picture is a divine manifestation, you are a divine manifestation.
The very act of saying GOD reduces the divine to a singularity, a division, this dimention consists of opposits, male female, light and dark, hot and cold, its elegant design and the designer is beyond our comprehension.
Allow me to posit a question,where do you think the energy comes from for you to function, as in thinking,heart beat,temperature mobility etc, please dont tell me from your brain.
Everything in the universe is energy, if you had studied your physics you would be away of this,one who pays attention can actually feel that energy.
Remember what Jesus said and i quote, "we live and have our being in God." unquote.
In essence my friend you are not even able to lift your little finger without that divine influence.
Remember Jesus said and i quote," the kingdom of heaven is within." unquote.
Tell me my friend what do those two statements mean to you, should you ignore my remarks its of no consquence, you will arrive at the conclusion one day.?

UOG.

Isn't faith identified by an absolute and durable absence of evidence or reason? Indeed, the less reason the more faith. The realisation that belief is contrary to life elicits mortal challenges such as "How strong is your faith"? Note the proactive separation of atheists in the US army. With respect of limited words per post, may I fast track my explanation to simply note the ultimate risk as a consequence of faith is referenced as Martyrdom. Death for no reason, in the absence of evidence that justifies such a death.

Isn't it amateurish to argue the angle of "worshiping Darwin", "belief in Evolution", "faith in science", "real science" etc. Surely that's been tried? 'Expelled: no intelligence allowed' claims ID is science, yet curiously spends a great deal of time falsely linking 'Darwinism' to the worst social ills [Hitler even regains his sanity - he was just following Darwinian logic] and insisting because no claims are made as to why, or what existed before the Big Bang that this equates to both proof God did it and honest scientific inquiry is left wanting. Ben Stein admits as much in this interview.

http://media.libsyn.com/media/firesnake/stein_sproul.mp3

Continuing thusly, suggests no proper response and like new age scams, exploits scientific notions to create an official sounding bluff. 'Religion as science' today - like Creationism-in-the-classroom, functions primarily by abusing science, using pseudoscience, attacking what we know of our universe and mocking alternatives that aren't supportive of Genesis.

As Bill Maher said on USA TV - humourously, Creationists should pray away the swine flu. May I remind you evolutionary science gives us vaccinations. So, set those eggs up, burn down the thinkeries and pray up a cure with a vaccine. Or... what on Earth then, are you saying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR2O2O27eNc

Thanks Oliver for some sensible diversion. UOG's levity is contagious. I laughed all the way through his last piece! Between him and Blackwattle some hysterical stuff has been posted. UOG, Blackwattle would no doubt love to check out you're transcendental library--why do you hang onto it btw? Surely one book is sufficient? And Blackwattle, I'm afraid you haven't even scratched the surface, indeed you've added another layer. The more you learn the less you know--this axiom can be positive as well as negative. You've allowed yourself to be seduced, and there's no shame in that. I've been down that path myself; and so has UOG I gather from his hints about his library. What do you actually "know" about anything? And bear in mind that there is no greater deceiver than yourself.

blackwattle<<..where do you think the energy comes from..for you to function,..as in thinking,heart beat,temperature mobility etc,>>its not rocket science..energy cant be created NOR destroyed...thus clearly the energy that animates us all..flows through us

to expand further..i can only to to sumerise my own conclusion's/theories/propisitions..if you will...via revelations and other texts..i hold that god's thone is literally/and figerativly..in our heart...my personal..god energy/reciever unit..[so to speak]

[science reports there is more electrical activity in our hearts than our brain]...heart recipiants report residual dietry/sporting activity/body memory and other sensations...that appear linked to their new heart..as to the source..for me its clearly acorded to god

sensitives confirm..a cord attatched to our belly button[..belly buttonfluff seems attracted to this place specificlly...indicating some electrical inflow/elec-trickle flow...

other levels of seers..have seen the silver-cords..are attatched to specific stars...in the heavens..[for want of a better description]..these stars..[light]collectivly equate to the source/god/good/life/logic..[linked to the god within[emmanual]..within all our heart's...

i can only agree with your other point's..but will expand my theorum..yet further...another..'seer'..[swedenberg]...who was allowed to commune with angels..[and demons]...advises that we each have a minimum of two..[one of each...who between them...become our freewill...both..are equally matched...

and between then..we get our good/bad freewill/inflows...our identity..[id]personum..[me being me/you being you..forms by mediating between the positive..[and negative influxes]..in essence the choices..we chose creates the personal..[i]..we think ourselves to be]...

the residual collective acts..we did chose..[our lifes choices]..in the next realm/..are refined with full affirmations/confirmations/adaptations...allowing..'us'..to enter the next phases of our energy-being/spiritual evolution..via our[soul...animated by emannuel/spirit...housed in our astral body..[after sepperating..from the physical]...

all are yet animated from god within..[emmanuel]/...even if our collective loves decend us..[in our astral body...into the darker lower levels of being]..of course..those of the love/light discard their astral self...revealing/morphing[like a butterfly]..their../new-bodies..of the purest..light]

or something/..like that...my educated guess...ie..my hypothemus in summery...to expound the info..into a thesis would take me the rest of my life...but..i have eternity to refine my theory...

[and if im wrong]..[and there is nothing...after death...so what...i will never know...but science reveals..energy cant be destroyed..so im backing my science..based on my faith..in good/god

Dear OUG,

The Laws for the Conservation of Energy and for Mass/Energy equivalents apply "after" the universe comes to a stable state.

[Time does really exist before 10 minus forty-third power. The universe then cooled after 380,000 years and stable particles as we experience these outside of the lab and QM craeted our typically observed universe. That is why we see the object, the aftermath of the creation, in COBE photograph.

Scientists have created matter by using LASER beams, basically the opposite to a nuclear explosion, which represents partial conversion of matter to energy. Moreover, matter can be destroyed.

If an electron meets a positron, both are destroyed: Relatedly, all properties of E=mc2 need to be squared, to incorporate antimatter, wherein there are two solutions to the equation. When the products physical products of the two solutions come into contact these are destroyed. Positrons are real and have been used in Computerised Axial Tomography.

Reverting back to the key topic, can you plase explain how, when and why, the universe was created by the assumed Christian god. If you are able can frame in conventional paragraphs. If not, I will uderstand.

If God had been so intelligent, he would have worked out how to prevent socialists and hemorrhoids.

(We all suffer from the former and although I fortunately do not suffer form the latter, from what I hear, there is little difference between the two).