oliver<<OUG,

<<Did Christ “die” on the Cross..before he changed his state..and went away for three days?>>we can on ly say if dead means gone from this realm...then no he did not die...did his body die...more likely than not[but we have a body of light that is indestructable

<<you say,..dying or merely changing state is compassionate>>>not real;ly[more ...of the same....shall be given...god gives us further life....but those loving bad will still seek the pleasures of the flesh....except in the next life its a hollow joke[eg...no booze...because juice cant spoil/ferment...but/yet..the boozers/druggies still seek their fix...its sad

<<..offspring fly devouring its mother?..Is that compassionate?>>>..look at it in hindsight...your self aware...aware/..you devoured your..OWN MOTHER...would it be a relief...when your own consume you?

<<u..say..god didn’t need to sacrifice himself.>>>jesus not god
<<<Could he...who died..have forgiven sin,..without the sacrifice?

>>understand there is no sin..to forgive...GOD DONT JUDGE NO_ONE...not ever...we may have been decieved..to believe a lie...but jesus cleared all/..that up...

new law...love god/love neighbour.test-i-meant..

<<..to sacrifice himself,..assuming this the superior course of action,..would god still have been as moral?>>>jesus/not god...jesus was validating a revelation...no judgment day...or him dying...would still be waiting for it

BUT he appeared 3 days l;ater...in body...thus not awaiting judgment day....cl;early

<<If not,..then god was compelled to act morally>>...god only can do good/..understand..GOD HAS..no evil../no vile/only pure love...like any good parent..only living joy/love/light reason

complelled..[or] act..morally...<<and is therefore not omnipotent.. because god could not choose to act immorally.>>..is it a car who choses to crash...or how..the driver steers it

<<Could god have designed an insect kingdom which not cruel?>>seemingly cruel how...there is only survival...see if all survived the earth would be 20 meters deep in dead stuff...the spirit realm faced the same problem...so there is here..and there..a means to consume un-usable bodies..from cluttering up creation...if things did not spoil...nothing new could be revealed

<<<When god created Satan did god know of Satan’s future disposition towards sin?>>>...you need to study gods most loyal angel...better...

dont believe his bad press...list his crimes ...i will rebut them as being deceptions/faulse judgments..unworthy of attention upon...by any fully informed being/or spirit

OUG,

1. Then you hold that Jesus did not die on the cross. He transitioned for our sins, but did not die. He transitioned states. Okay.

2. I would have it that consumption one’s parent is not compassionate. By extension, given the fly example, any Intelligent Desiner is not compassionate. Is an ID compassionate in this case? Could there have been a better plan?

3. God is not omnipotent because he cannot act immorally? The car must stay in the left lane.

4. I understand the survival thing. What I am asking is there a better Design than the survival thing?

5. “When god created Satan did god know of Satan’s future disposition towards sin?” Ypu replied that I need to understand the loyal angel better. Please explain and educate me.

OLIVER<<..you hold...Jesus..did not die..on the cross.>>>..he didnt[correct]...death means dead/..nothing...

but he proved..that dead aint dead

<<He..transitioned..for..our sins...lol>>...get it right...[there is no origonal sin/..no judging us by our sins...how we judge others is the measure..we use to JUDGE OURSELVES...there is NO JUDGMENT DAY...jesus didnt die..to the flesh...for the flesh...[for our sins...thats so absurd...]

consider actually believing..he can take my sin on him...jesus proved no judgment day..so why?..he..''died''..to proove meat/body..is not life/spirit/..not..sin/not..ginn

<<..consumption one’s parent..is not..compassionate>>..now how to explain it..to the mother?

....who now feels betrayed..because her young..didst not consume her being..as she did..consume her mothers..before them...

rejoice..we have extincted one life-cycle...feel more clean now?

<<By extension>>>..in lue of fact..<<..Intelligent Desiner..is not compassionate>>....every life living..is sustained by god..

no god/no nothing..[think pre-big/bang state,darkdeep/nothing..zarda...nothing...then/love/logic/light/life..bang..

<<Is an ID compassionate..>>name your favoured artist...lets judge your hero...by his..more strange enter-taintments...fair?...judge you/..by whay i feel..your worst game?...fair?

<<?Could../..a better plan?>>...i think..if your a fully aware god...you try your hand..at/with everything...like science dare go where science has no moral/right...but god does have..not only the right/..but the ability...see how thoughrilly it all meshes together...

i have not asked you..to give proof of what you say

3.<<God is not omnipoten..because he cannot act immorally?>>>..there are things we do...[and the reasons we do them..god can do immorally..just as doing/not good..or..not doing good...its not for any to judge

read the quaran...when satan destroyed a boat..seemingly bad[right]...but the reason he destroyed the boat..was good...i wont insult your inteligence..by quoting the chapter and verse

<<The car..must stay in the left lane>>>it stays in the lane..only under the control..of the driver and the car designer

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<<is there a better Design than the survival thing?>>this realm is the ONLY realm where supreem evil can live side by side with extreem good...

this so called survival thing...is only the way..to sort out the sheep from the goat./wheatfrom tares...those..who love the good from lovers of vile/bad..this life experience..is...accelerated spirit learning..[due to the mix]..the opposing/conflicting/big issues can be sorted..into known knowns..and guessable knowables

<<5.“When god created Satan...You replied that I need to understand the loyal angel better...Please explain and educate me.>>

http://islam101.net/real-tales-topmenu-39/238.html?task=view
http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Quran_translation18.php
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=quran+moses+boat++satan&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Thanks OUG. I am tied-up a bit with work stuff at the moment. Hope to catch-up with you again. O.

im sad... no more questions

i stopped asking
so its great to put the questions into my mind
and see what pops out

anyhow thanks for the quest-ioning

was searching for a bird flue post
but the fullsome topic...is not active

so swine/bird/vacine shows up here
so add this the other topics addendum here

link one explains the mexico beta test...w
as from a vacine tested by un organisations...lol

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=4272

link two is to join the dots
dont say you didnt know
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2729&page=14

as to how this proves gods great design ...figure it out
think of the elites eugenisysts previous tests

the 30?
million dead from the same virus [last time]..ww1 was because the solger boys were vaxinated and sent home to die...it has in fact been attempted many times since then

we dont have too much longer..[or so the scien-tysts would claim]
dont take the hot shot..apparently there are a few different versions going to be pumped into you all...pretty much soon