OUG,

Sorry about the dead link...Here it is http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/quote_oxnard.html

Now I went to your link...and I am sorry but it makes no sense.

As you are a creationist why does the Bible give two accounts of the order of creation?

The BIBLE is wrong!

Genesis 1:11 Plants...created on Day 3, Genesis 1:26-31 Humans...created on day 6.

Genesis 2:7 Humans created Genesis 2:5 states....no plants because there was noone to cultivate the soil.
Genesis 2:8 He/She/It introduces plants.

In 2 chapters of the creationists diary the order is reversed.

Perhaps the intelligent designer should have employed more intelligent writers...ha!

So if it is proof you are wanting why not demand it off your GOD first. The Bible is wrong again!

But if you are a creationist what sort of creationist are you?

Please explain why dinosaurs weren't on the ark?

Do you really believe the world is 6000 years old?

Do you really believe GOD needed a rest on the 7th day?

Do you really believe that GOD would destroy all he had made? On another thread you seemed to waiver on this point and the one on the killing of all the first-born of Egypt.

If GOD knows all things past, present and future, he knew mankind would fail every test put before us. Why the need to drown all the innocent children and unborn babies when he knew we would fail?

Finally, seeing Noah had broken God's instruction to take 7 pairs of each ritually clean animal and 1 pair of each unclean animals and only taken a pair of each animal - In Genesis 8:20 Noah sacrifices one of every kind of ritually clean animal and bird and burns it as an offering to GOD.

This means that there was only one animal of each type left. How did they breed? Were they all asexual?

Genesis 8:20 therefore totally contradicts GOD's instruction in Genesis 7:3 as Noah defies GOD's orders in Genesis 7:3 by only taking 2 of each animal in Genesis 7:8.

Where is YOUR proof that BIBLE/creationism is accurate?

One Under God, what a load of rambling rubbish! I do admire you though for your strength of your convictions despite so many odds.

At the end of the day, none of us will ever find out who or what created the universe as we know it. I find this discussion pointless, and simply one that pitches creationists against evolutionists.

Having said that, I will say that I agree fully with Stevenlmeyers' statement that 'religions are false'.

Books such as the Bible or the Koran, written by humans only a few thousand years ago about our very much older world, can only be guessing about creation as much as we are today.
Having 'faith' in any of these religions is like wishing we could believe in fairy tales!

OUG
"you..sir are a fool...believing without ability/skill of actual/validation..gullable children believe...your..without even the ability/will/inclination..to test/...or..validate...your own beliefs".

Sir, I have no doubt that I "am" a fool. I am comforted though by Montaigne's assertion that such self-knowledge is the first step to wisdom.

As for my belief; surely my posts illustrate that I have none? I do not believe in belief. Ergo I do not "believe" in evolution--which is not a monolithic belief system anyway, but a diverse theoretical model applied to the natural world, including human society. Evolutionary science is ceaselessly and rigorously tested and contested on all sides.

I left school aged 14, incidentally, which was the best thing I ever did so far as my education is concerned. If my posts seem wordy to you I submit that I merely strive to use the best word as occasion demands. And these pithy exchanges demand such attention if we are not to be misunderstood; indeed, your own posts, and understanding of other people's, would be much more coherent if you consulted a few reference books and put your own "beliefs" to the test.
Have a nice day.

Hey what about IKEA?

There has been much discussion attempting to explain the unexplainable.
As an individual i am an observer in this dimension, for instance, i came from somewhere because i am aware of myself at this moment in time, at some point in the future i will be gone from here most probably to the place i came from originally.
I would find it very difficult to dismiss "elegant design" on what i see with my own eyes, and which is far beyond my wildest imagination.
As a species we are evolving, at present we are more concerned with war, murder, rape and pillaging, greed and the almighty dollar, than on spiritual development. But develop we will in time.
What a wonderful mechanism "Thought" is, it is said, as you think so shall you be, now one has to pay attention to the thought process to see how it manifests in one life, and it does.
In conclusion, i consider myself a traveller on the winds of eternity
and may i add so are you all.

still no facts sqeer..so to other posters

o2 quote..<<The BIBLE/..wrong!..>>>...i never declared the bible..anything...i did not translate/write/print/nor collect..stories together...have read many others...combined=what i know

<<Genesis..2:5..states....no plants because..no-one to cultivate..>>..try reading in context of..2;4=[AT THE TIME..*when..god created the heavens and earth...[lol]...its re-affirming..the time...*WHEN...=..giving the timing of..the when..of man..[specificlly]...

ie...WHEN...there was no man...2;6...BUT..streams issued up from the earth...a precise timming...expanding off..from 1;26...when men..'got a makeover..''in our image''...as you evolutionists would say..when man became mensch..

<<what sort of creationist..are you?>>im not saying/..i am creationist...im simply saying evolution..ISNT..science/..scientificly valid,..as either a science..or a a matter of faulsifyable fact

<<why dinosaurs weren't on the ark?>>...allready extinct...reveal where..in the bible../it says the earth/..only 7000 years old...your sustaining fictions...chasing imagry...[fed to..you..as a child]

<<..GOD..?..needed..?..a rest/..the 7th day?>>>..children do..as they see their father/mother do...

sabbath isnt..for/..the masters rest...but the slaves/workers dont get abused/...for fairity...read the full sabbath law...resting the land...returning stolen property to the owner...your quoting extracts...in a missleading/selective/manner..creating your own..error

<<GOD/..destroy's all..?>>..god creates and sustains/life...loves..not hates..GOD*dosnt destroy...nature destroys...there is no confusing*...know gods works..are good/god*...all living/loving/grace mercy/light/logic..no confusion..[if*]..you know..his nature is nurture/love/life/grace/plenty..etc

<<On..another thread..you/waiver..on this point>>..even a beast of the field..knows its*master's..voice...you miss-quote me

<<..he knew mankind would fail..>>>reveal how..'we'..have failed...heaven is full of those who succeeeded..and hell full with those..who never tried

<<Why the need to drown..>>>..back then../..every act of nature...attributed to god..[thus jesus came..to help us know..our masters voice=love*...so we can..sort the tares/from the wheat...sheep from the goats..truth from lies


<<In Genesis 8:20 Noah sacrifices...>>..revealing..even those..supposedly perfect/..can be wrong...let ye without sin..not cast stones

<<..2 of each animal..>>..science has now proven..it was a local flooding..[many such..local..floods have been recorded]..*those who remain write the..[his-try]...*his-story.

<<..YOUR proof that BIBLE/creationism is accurate?..>>..here to rebut..the validity/[faith]...of you decieved,..that..make/faulse claim,..via/science...deceptions as fact



<<what a load of rambling rubbish!>>..usually indicates..your not following the debate

<>none..will ever find out who/what..created..the universe>>...all is revealed..when we die...and all/..get born again..[some in hell..or others in h]

<<Having..'faith'..is like wishing/to..believe in fairy tales!>>..ditto blind/FAITH in science...same/same..suzie