Don't know why the link doesn't work, but if you google "eagleton dawkins" you'll get the article first up.

Examiner,

I haven't seen the copy for some time. The copy was probably from the late 1970s. It had a blue cover. I purchased it at the Technical Book Shop in Sydney. I don't think the copy was one of the periodic editions, but a special edition. My copy may have been lost or boxed-up when I went overseass to teach. I will check on my university's database to see if I can find it and report back.

Sorry about the salutation error.

OUG,

I have requested three or four times that you reply to intelligent design issues, I raised, as raised. Do you intend to pass on the matter or address the issues posed?

stevenlmeyer,

"We do not need to evoke the existence of an intelligent designer in order to explain the evolution of complex life forms. Darwinian evolution through natural selection ..."

I am not sure we did. Selection (and mutation), I accept these processes.

What I did suggest to OUG was that "if" the complexity of the universe (and life) begs a Designer owing to complexity, a god, being more complex would also require a Designer, as an extrapolation of the first case proposition. Alternatively, if more complex god, does not require a Designer, why should the universe?

The question is, how do we explain what the physicist Paul Davies and other call the Goldilocks Enigma? How is it that the laws of physics and the constants of nature are fine tuned so as to allow for the emergence and evolution of ... ?

Murray Gell-Mann, Nobel physicist, notes how quickly we can come to a unique answer in the process of "twenty questions".

The odds of us being might be a series of 100 times 10 million-to-one events occuring, rather than ten raised by the power of; the power of ten itself raised 123*, as is sometimes cited.

[* more zeros than there are atoms in the universe]

Also, I think it was Gell-Mann who notes it is not just evolution rather evolution "plus time".

Alternatively,

One set drawn from quantum infinite indeterminacy must be us.

oh liver..i have replied..your questions...will waste a post..listing them..and replying..yet again...seeing as your trying/..to make a point..of my not/replying...lol..

yet too lazy to read my responses

QUOTE..again...oh=liver<<..By whose design..do cells become malignant?>>..posted one whole post explaining gods great design...explaining how its man made poisens...but yet gods great design..often corrects...self-correcting..[isnt../..bad design]

addendum..new point is 3/4 people simply cant get cancer..[ever..because of..GODS GREAT DESIGN]...lol

oh-liver..QUOTE<<..if the retort is God..who is more complex than universe..can exist..without a Designer,..why not the the universe which is less complex..than God?>>....have replied that the biggest fires can begin from the smallest spark/...how smallest virus kills biggest man...and replied many other minour/causel/aspects..you chose to ignore..

eg..[one tiny sperm and egg...CAUSE..grows into fullgrown man]..and how god was..before and post creation..[eternal/infinite]..needing no cause.....

plus..postulated other alternative/theories..that see other alternatives..[clearly over your head]..like us being the collective god head by virtue of..a neuronal/synapse in YOUR mind..not being you[in total]...but part of a collective[..you]..

if your not paying attention..[please note others do]...your continual posting..my not replying..is not re asking the question..you think i avoid

please re ask..if you dont get the reply..you think you deserve...if you think i havnt replied..please dare to ask again..not just claim a-new..that im ignoring your questions..because im not...i enmjoy replying them..[thus have..extensivly...read my replies..most are replying you...thanks for asking me to explain..[yet again]

oh liver quote<<..So,we have choice..do we accept God needs a Designer based on argument from Intelligent Design>>>..replied..yes we have a choice..god is eternal...allways was..just like you could say suns make light/sustaining life...i say god sustains the light/thus the life...but we believe as we chose

no..god does not need a designer..note my posts re evolutionists/..alian theory..lol....[a science alternative]...lol..any alians..STILL NEED TO BE CREATED..too..

but i have heard you athiests seriously spout that cccrap..as a..lol..valid alternate theory...lol...other egsamples quoted..[try reading the replies]

<<do we set aside argument..from Intelligent Design and agree that the universe does not require a Designer.>>...yeah the golilocks parradox..its pure co-incidence...lol..science ideas are fraud...fairy tales for children...present your science

very scientific that...science..that uses co-incidence..ISNT SCIENCE...you claim science...PROOVE it...co-incidence/luck/naturral nothing..present your science...

whats natural selection..to do..specificly with..science method-ology...you claim science..present it

One under god you sure lol alot!

At the end of the day, no-one can ever actually prove whether or not there is or has been any God or Intelligent Designer.

It is all in the imagination of us mere humans really.

its either loll or cry suzie...people with no idea about the science yet believe its science ...that disproves god...when science cant even validate its own theory on evolution

simple people who would normally put their faith in the higher cause..now put the same faith upon the science godheads...faulse gods of spin..they somehow sell to the gullable...with big sounding numbers and big words decribing natures progress..not the science process...a

cepting genus to be the same as species...is as absurd as saying black is white..or that they are colour ...

i cant prove there was a designer that engeneered a building..[or an aircraft]...but the logic is they didnt build themselves...

we assume some one built a robot...but balk at stating a human..[vastly better that a robot]...had its own designer...lol...jesus wept...

lol...i see the joke...but feel for those who never can even imagine their great designer..[one to one]...who..as jesus revealed loves even the least..or most despised]..so many times...and all we need do is know his living loving voice

"<<..why would a lesser state..(the universe)..need to be created?>>..we will continue to debate..in circles...im rebutting..the so called science..to be any/..true proof..." -OUG

"have replied that the biggest fires can begin from the smallest spark/...how smallest virus kills biggest man...and replied many other minour/causel/aspects..you chose to ignore..

eg..[one tiny sperm and egg...CAUSE..grows into fullgrown man]..and how god was..before and post creation..[eternal/infinite]..needing no cause..." -OUG

plus..postulated other alternative/theories..that see other alternatives..[clearly over your head]..like us being the collective god head by virtue of..a neuronal/synapse in YOUR mind..not being you[in total]...but part of a collective[..you]..." -OUG

OUG,

Your posts don't appear to relate the questions/issues I posed on intelligent design. I mentioned that if God is more complex than the universe and one held that the universe had a Designer that by extrapoloation God being more complex would be in greater need of a Designer, Alternatively, if God didn't need a Designer, why would the universe, which is less complicated than God.

Yes, you did make some posts (thanks), but not specifically directed towards the questions/issues raised. I couldn't recognize the comments as replies. Please respond to the matters as raised.

1. If God is more complex than the universe, who designed God, given God's complexity?

.OR.

2, Do we drop the idea of Intelligent Design of the less complex universe, given a (more complex) god requires no Intelligent Design?