Well I must say this is an anticlimax OUG--hilarious as ever but somehow lacking in substance. A decided absence of mirth too. You surely can't resent my disrespectful tone, especially when that's what you've been dishing up all along.
On the subject of sodomy; surely if a virgin birth is possible, so is an anal conception?
True, your wordplay is as usual topnotch, but I thought that was sheer effervescence, beneath which a crushing logic held sway?
And how can you accuse us of "pack attack"? You've been privy to the disquiet in the ranks. We are anything but coordinated. And yet your tone betrays human weakness--irritation--petulance. a bruised ego? Spock would reply, "I have no ego to bruise". Perhaps you've grown complacent--slovenly of thought. Perhaps hitherto you've been a wit among dunces; and now you're a dunce among wits?
Before you run off, what about the Cambrian extinction--I'm keen to hear the rationale behind that--intelligent design?

.......But this is all too heavy! Here's some light relief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzXYYmBMst

OUG,

What about the alternatives presented in my earlier posts about intelligent design? If the argument from Intelligent Design demands the marvels and complexity of the universe require an Intelligent Designer, God who is more marvelous and more complex would reqire a Designer too, even more so. Else, if the retort is God who is more complex than universe can exist without a Designer, why not the the universe which is less complex than God?

So, we have choice do we accept God needs a Designer based on argument from Intelligent Design. Or, do we set aside argument from Intelligent Design and agree that the universe does not require a Designer.

The matters raised by Speers, O2 and myself address the universe, intelligent design and God's behaviour revealed in the Bible. All these matters focus on the olo topic. Less sure about sodomy.

Sorry, here be the link, I think. Worth a look if you haven;t seen it.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=video_result&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVzXYYmBMst8&ei=nex7SoOgKYPMsQOk36DvCg&usg=AFQjCNHdoriXHip_sAuRm6UprlH7VPrUGQ&sig2=ra06cOuLS2CM-wZjS5G3GQ

OUG,

I realise that the Bible is hard to defend....but I thought you were above name calling...Didn't you just "Bear False Witness"...EXODUS20:16...by calling people Sodomites especially when you brought up the story of Lot?

But if Sodom was full of homosexuals, then why did the Lord say GENESIS18:20-21 that he would go down to see if the accusations he had heard were true? He's GOD! He must have already known!

GENESIS19:1 Lot had daughters and a wife...so there were women. Again negating your argument.

PLUS in GENESIS19:12 The two angels advised Lot to get anyone else...sons, daughters, sons-in-law or any other relatives living in the city to get them out.

SO if everyone in Sodom were male homosexuals, as you say, then all the relatives of Lot must have been homosexual, and yet they would have been spared.

It doesn't make sense again.

Of course the next bit where Lot (after drinking) gets his daughters pregnant goes even further into the mire of this disgusting tale. But, according to the Bible, if that hadn't happened, the Moabites and the Ammonites would never have existed.

Surely OUG, you must see that this stuff is pure fiction?

Why can't you reveal your sources for your total belief in GOD?

I don't mind you doubting and debating science but I do worry when you totally believe things that are obviously fiction.

But what of the other Christians on these pages, why don't they come to your aid? If they believe the Bible is God's word, can they defend their "Intelligent Designer's" position?

I understand your frustration that you are the only one trying to defend your position. I am sorry for that...but what does it tell you about your beliefs or the intestinal fortitude of the other Christians here?

By getting angry with reasonable questions...aren't you letting down your GOD?

squeer<<the Cambrian extinction--I'm keen to hear the rationale behind that--intelligent design>>..as you know i am science first call then ditched the deceptions for the surity of god...

as for the can-brian extinction...stuff happens...but we being spirits having an incarnate experience..what happend in the past intrests me..not a real lot

we are spirits evolving..[about the only aspect where the evolution reveals continiousness]..evolution is valid/only at the spiritual level or within genus]...one need only look at the beast/like nature..of many humans..to note their last incarnation..WAS CLEARLY THAT OF THE..[a]..BEAST

that being said..i will put forth some thinking..i did on the matter of extinctions...as i was hotter..[and if i have the right event...ie a metior striking earth..bringing on a nuclear winter]...

clearly only warmblood or feathered beasts have a chance of survival...noting it couldnt logiclly have been a complete extinction..as i havnt heard of any science looney..saying we evolved[lol]..from the seas twice

as chickens..are dinousaurs closest relitives,..its likely that bird-like dino survivers downsized..[just as the horse upsized]..noting that bird/lizard intermediate has been proved a fraud...it has modern chicken feathers..[but such is the measure of proof..you gullable evolving belief-ers by faith..swallow]

as for god being more complex..thats an absurdity i will partly explain..one spark can start the biggest bush fire...your body was one egg..uniting with one LIVING sperm...

its..facilitated..so research has confirmed by twelve others..13 seems the miniumum..for natural sperm penitration..but again..thats wasted on you lot..

god only needs to be living..to have to be the cause of all life...he only needs be light..to sustain life to live..he needs only be electricity to have thought../logic..and be real to sustain mass..[that is only energy]

i will note that the bible..specificly has its beginning..[thousands of years pre evolutionary theory's]..now..[somewhat absent anbiogensis first]...

noting..god breathed life into clay...ie science will..if nothing else con-firm..life comes from life...and that no change of genus has EVER BEEN OBSERVED..[nor claimed as faulsiyable/proof]