Great reply Squeers... Thankyou!

Maybe we should start a thread the weird and wonderful/not so wonderful but unexplainable things that have happened in our lives.

I wonder if people would really open up. It would be great if they could.

Like you, I didn't jump to some dogma and slot my experience into a box, perhaps because, I had already found the multitude of biblical errors that religious people have chosen to ignore.

"God works in mysterious ways" just didn't wash, and yet, believers will accept that rather than think what the implications of such an infantile statement are.

I'd prefer them to tell the truth saying "I don't know", but owning up to that honestly is a tough ask for religions.

People, WE are all on a journey of discovery and the fundamental rule is that we should always keep an open but questioning mind.

If you expect science to answer every question in this lifetime then you are delusional. Afterall GOD hasn't answered your questions and you supposedly have a one on one relationship with him...

OR Is this another delusion?

The problem with religious books is they divert attention from the real to the highly unlikely and people stop their journeys there saying "I just believe".

Oliver, Get ready for the answer, the Devil, the great deceiver, caused the Cambrian Mass Extinction to divert scientific study from realising GOD is good...He walks amongst us, and especially amongst scientists you know...Ha!

OUG says,
“some things..you just accept/..by their signs...ask the previous posters..to forget their prejudgments..and decare their..unspeakable events...they refuse to accord to god...because they fear ridicule...i cant see their fear..but can read it..between the lines”
This is interesting and banal. I don’t “refuse to accord to god (sic)” whatever may be her due; that would entail a presumption, and I have no notion of God. Yet it’s true that I do fear ridicule, and thus it’s true that the scientific paradigm holds sway, otherwise I would profess my intuition unabashed—not of God I hasten to add, but whatever it may be. There is a kind of censorship in play then that will have no truck with the kind of transcendental experience we’re talking about. It’s tacitly understood that mystical experiences are embarrassing and best kept to oneself—or else they are readily attributable to a psychological or a physiological explanation.
I have to confess that sometimes they are not, and that here is science’s Achilles’ heel; it has little tolerance of radical data. This is what made Einstein’s quantum mechanics such a breakthrough (and Darwin’s for that matter); it was counter-intuitive. I’m not saying that science is wrong in its approach, but that it is limited, and that it should accept its limitations rather than fall into dogmatism the way religion did.
Is anyone familiar btw with Jacques Lacan’s notion of the “real”.
OUG, I’ve read my share of Swedenborg btw

from your link..<<The Plan-ck..Time>...or as i think of it the plan-chwank...lol...timless...lol

<<The big bang theory>>...THEORY...lol

<<also runs into a fundamental limitation>>..the fun-demon-mental lim-it-at-ions...during the first few..MINUS..seconds..[or..as your god-head writes]'

<<during the first..1E-43 seconds..(1E-43..refers to the power of 10 i.e...1..times 10..to the minus..43rd power...)>>.in other words 10 seconds times a really big multiple of huge MINUS numbers...

realising any minus-times..sets this planchwank...into pre/big-bang time...but your..too hynotised..to read through the spin

thus removing the explanation..the sentance reads..<<during the first 1E-43 seconds after time zero.>>>sero time being the BIG BANG...but by virtue of the big minus[1E_43]...becomes pre big bang time...

..idiots..without minds..will accept the new/buzz-word...of a big minus time..somehow post dating the big bang...lol..but..ITS A BLOOMING THEORY...using big/minus-numbers..to really say nothing

<<This time...is called..the Planck time..and arises from quantum mechanics>>>..you know quantum theory...where simply observing an event..CHANGES it from it's math...prediction...but the math...lol....must be right...lol..

so thus weird things..[repotedly]..really happen..[like a named thing..appearing in two places..at the same time/space...and you turkies,..with faith in really..big/..numbers..the theory becomes science...and the belivers..think..its science...lol.

<<Without going into detail,>>....lol..lest we explain something..[others will rebutt..<<quantum mechanics..predicts that..for anything smaller..than a certain scale,..lol..>>...smaller that 1..times..minus big-bang..quantum/seconds..or minus/number?....

<<chance and uncertainty win out..over Newtonian determinism.>>...wow you just have to love..science that spins its spin..to the true mindless[believers]..[eh?]

remember..this is still explaining..the..lol..plan-chwank....<<We/can therefore predict..or measure the path.of a planet..or a baseball,..lol..but we..can only estimate probabilities..for an electron.>>>...oh we..lol..have a theory..of probabilities/sciencs/names..[that exclude..definitivly..god..lol]

<<Subatomic particles..are smaller than Planck's scale,..>>.but hang on..plan-chwank is a measure of minus something..to the power of a big minus..post/pre big bang..theorum

..but back to the explanation..<<..so chance and uncertainty dominate.>>...yes..lol..science certainly is giving..its followers certainty..lol

<<This inability to predict..or measure their paths..results not from faulty instruments or techniques...of course not...lol..but from a fundamental limitation of nature...>>>ah...blame it on NATURE/god...lol..thus THEIR..inability to predict..thats the plan-chwank...lol..science right?

<<<The Planck time...is this limiting scale..lol..translated into time units.>>>..For times in the history of the universe less than 1E-43seconds,..lol..<<quantum mechanics limits..our ability..lol..to predict..or measure the conditions>>..lol...aHH..finally a truth...in theory

<<Our history of the big-bang..must...lol..therefore begin at 1E-43 seconds...>>>..lol...right got ya...lol...but*...wasnt it post big-bang time?

Read more:..http://astrophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_planck_time_and_the_big_bang#ixzz0NIaBOmMT...thanks but no more...plan-chwank..thanks

lest i be accused of cheating

quote oliver<<Measure of Plank time:

http://astrophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_planck_time_and_the_big_bang

Five Year Old’s Knowledge:>>

clicking the abouve link
scroll down to the plan-chwank heading

cut and paste
quote...unedited...<<The Planck Time
The big bang theory also runs into a fundamental limitation during the first 1E-43 seconds (1E-43 refers to the power of 10 i.e. 1 times 10 to the minus 43rd power.) after time zero. This time is called the Planck time and arises from quantum mechanics.

Without going into detail, quantum mechanics predicts that for anything smaller than a certain scale, chance and uncertainty win out over Newtonian determinism.

We can therefore predict or measure the path of a planet or a baseball, but we can only estimate probabilities for an electron. Subatomic particles are smaller than Planck's scale, so chance and uncertainty dominate.

This inability to predict or measure their paths results not from faulty instruments or techniques but from a fundamental limitation of nature.

The Planck time is this limiting scale translated into time units. For times in the history of the universe less than 1E-43seconds, quantum mechanics limits our ability to predict or measure the conditions.

Our history of the big bang must therefore begin at 1E-43 seconds. At this time the universe had an estimated density of 1E96times the density of water and an estimated temperature of 1E32 degrees Kelvin. Our universe began in an unimaginably hot dense state.

From this initial state the universe began to expand in the big bang.>>remember to visualise it...were talking [acording to nyour science godheads about this bang being smaller than a matchhead

link continued..<<Next
GUTS and Inflation in the Big Bang

Read more: http://astrophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_planck_time_and_the_big_bang#ixzz0NJmNYlMT>>>..and the science...explanation...lol..is revealed...by its own spin

hung on its own petard

this is the level of the info/lol/science..you use to rebut..your living loving god....

as jesus said...the blind leading the blind...there is none so blind as those that will refuse to see...why do you lot so need a god free scam to deney god

try critical reading folks

small lies become big deceptions
first accept the small ones then the huge ones

where does the lie stop?

see that we are lied to in many ways...you can accept their spin as true[unthinkingly]...and they tell you bigger lies...or reveal their spin for what it really is

More Proof Against
WTC 7 Lies
http://stopthelie.com/more_proof.html
Stop The Lie
http://www.infowars.com/more-proof-against-wtc-7-lies/

Another failed building demolition…See what actually happens when only SOME of a building’s support structure is compromised...

..New videos of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire in Beijing highlight the vivid contrast between the damage it suffered as it was completely consumed by roaring flames,..

..yet remained standing, and the comparative sporadic fires across just 8 floors that led to the complete free fall collapse of WTC 7.
http://www.youtube.com/v/owyqt-8RnKI

For a more detailed analysis, please see

“Fire Initiated Collapse – Primary Arguments against“
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html#FireInitiatedCollapse

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

More proof of WTC-7 implosion
http://www.prisonplanet.com/still-standing-the-building-that-proves-wtc-7-was-imploded.html

9/11 truth debunkers are in a bind as to how to respond to the Beijing skyscraper fire because of the building’s similarity in size to Building 7 and the gargantuan fire damage it suffered in comparison with the limited “office fires” witnessed in WTC 7.

The Mandarin Oriental Hotel is over 500 feet tall, just 100 feet short of the height of WTC 7.

Read full article
http://www.prisonplanet.com/still-standing-the-building-that-proves-wtc-7-was-imploded.html

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 “Impossible”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/280508Engineers.htm

–A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices,..former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres)

believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition

Read full article
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/280508Engineers.htm

unquestioning minds/faith in little things
is the blind leading the more blind

open your eyes and dare to ask questions...
about little lies
to begin with

OUG,

- SCIENCE STUFF

Good. I think you have found the answer to your question about what is the nature of Planck time.

You mention"chance" in QM. More precisely, we have "summed" probabilities emerging form infinite determinancy. So we now see that the universe may have come into existence without God.

The speed of light in a vacuum is the maximum limit "within" the universe, not "of" the universe itself. Ther universe inflates (into its own four dimnsional space-time) faster than the speed of light. Similarly, when we look into space we see backwards in time. Eight minutes for the Sun. Fifteen billion years for the COBE pic.

-GOD STUFF

You haven't really addressed the issue of:

If the universe needs a Designer, assumed, because the Creation is self-evidently marvellous. God being more marvellous than the universe, by extrapolation of the first case, would be more in need of Designer. Who designed God?

Alternatively,

If God, who is more complex than the universe can exist, without a desiner; then, why must the universe, which is less complex than a God, require a designer? If more complex God does not require a Designer, why should a less complex universe require a Designer?

O2,

OUG has been busy with the Creation. I guess he will conmment of the Cambrian extinction soon.

It seems odd to me a Creator would with foresight produce a line of life and have it ticking along merry for two billion years only to change the environment and extinguish it. It would have been like our friend Noah and the animals "not" surviving the Flood and God keeping only the fishes. If we are a simulation that extinction event was mean bug in the program.

Perhaps, life is a game of snakes and ladders being played by super-intelligent extra-dimensional aliens, and every few hundred million years a player lands on a snake. Extinction! Land on mitosis and advance from single cells to multi-celled organisms. :-)