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Could Turnbull turn the tide

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As I indicated before if Turnbull was to change his conduct to become more what is right constitutionally, such as getting rid of the unconstitutional compulsory voting for starters then many will vote for him in that regard.
Likewise if he stops the unconstitutional payments to former G-G and former Prime Ministers.
As a CONSTITUTIONALIST I see ample of area’s Malcolm could get electors on his side by merely doing what is constitutionally required. However unlikely will he do so because currently they are paid about $2.00 per vote and so financially it is better for the party to stick to the unconstitutional compulsory voting. On 19 July 2006 the County Court of Victoria ruled in my favour against the Commonwealth when I submitted it was unconstitutional for the Commonwealth to compel anyone to vote.
Likewise only those who are holding a seat in Parliament can draw allowance from consolidated Revenue Funds. Former members have no such entitlements. Likewise former G–G’s and former PM’s have no right (constitutionally) to draw salaries or other perks.
Therefore Malcolm can revive his position if just he was considering what is constitutionally appropriate rather then his own (financial) and his own party’s interest.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Thursday, 6 August 2009 12:23:56 AM
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Could Malcolm Turnbull turn the tide?

Could Malcolm Turnbull check his evidence before making allegations?

Turnbull's days as Liberal Leader were numbered from day one because he is simply too arrogant to be tolerated by the Liberal Party power brokers.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 6 August 2009 8:17:53 AM
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First rechtub, every word in this post, it may take two, is what I truly believe.
Yes we are in deep debt, yes it concerns me.
Part of the reason we are not as bad as other western country's is good planing and things put in place by the last Labor government and John Howard government.
A greater part can be put squarely on the greatest mining boom in this country's history during the Howard years.
Industrial reforms by both Keiting and Howard Hawk too, made this growth possible.
Not however work choices,
Following the great times that put dollars in our piggy bank, not good government, we now face what EVERY THINKING HUMAN must have feared, the wave crashed on the beach, leaving us stranded.
My fear of the debt is real, my understanding it screams higher tax's less services under any form of government is true.
I KNOW [please bring back Forrest gump we need him and a way of emphasis]
We had no other path but to stimulate the economy.
Think if in power Turnbull may ave done it, remind you rechtub it was Howard long before the crash who started the cash hand outs.
Yes some money has been wasted, I cringe, started threads condemning hand outs to dead or overseas people, school rebuilding then closed, but are they all true? do you believe every thing conservatives say?
I true can not.
Mate you yes you must look at your side, lies are more common that ideas in a once great party, not until you get leadership and policy's can you go froward again.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 7 August 2009 5:20:42 AM
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I truly think rechtub you and others like you are not blind to the reasons Rudd spent the cash, or that he had little choice.
Yes the total would be about the same, in my view no matter who ruled us.
The direction under Conservatives would have been far different.
Are you truly unhappy with pensioners hand out? really?
Did you spend your $900 straight away,I did on some thing I could not afford before,for some one else.
Did we have anther way of spending it? yes hundreds but why is your way better?
How would you have done it, how would it have helped us more.
rechtub you must be aware surely Rudd is home in the next election, Turnbull is propped up only for a time by no leadership being left in Howard's ego driven one man government style?
Do yo understand this idiotic Conservative plan to stop the Parliament acting via the senate is only working for ultra conservatives?
That 3 maybe 4 Terms are in Labors future because of negativity from your side?
rechtub, ignore the ideas that changing vote to other than it is can change governments, its not even an issue, do you, truly, think Turnbull can stay?
Do you think given his actions you can trust him.
Do you understand it is not going to be conservative voters who put you back in the house but ours and you are doing nothing but driving them away.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 7 August 2009 5:41:45 AM
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Belly
Are you truly unhappy with pensioners hand out? really?

Not really. Rental assistance, yes, assistance to have items in the house fixed, yes, remember, it costs a pensioner up to $80 just to have a tradie turn up, help here would have been nice, a food and necessities card/voucher, yes, but smokes, grog and pokies –NO!

Did you spend your $900 straight away ,I did on some thing I could not afford before, for some one else.
I don’t even know if I got it, sorry.

Did we have anther way of spending it?
Not sure what you mean, us or the gov.

As for consumers, I saw a lady buy 23 cartons of cigs, when asked why 23, she replied the $900 wasn’t enough to buy 24. Thank ‘F’ for that!

Now as for the gov, how about ‘real jobs creation, set up plants to value add and create jobs. Another classic, the gateway bridge debacle.

Sure, there won’t be as many delays in the future, but seriously, is a 20 minute a day delay more important than the hundreds who have now lost their jobs? Especially in these times.

The fact is that Krudd has squandered billions, put the next few generations into debt and you lot have no real plan for repaying it.

Once again it will be up to the conservatives to one day try to plug the holes in readiness for your next bid adventure/!.

I do however agree that the next election is all but in the bag. Just hope to much damage is not done before they have to call in the ‘fixers’.

Remember, there’s not many things left to sell, especially once anna lie has been to the sale.

do you, truly, think Turnbull can stay?
Do you think given his actions you can trust him.
Yes well I asked the same question about anna, but hey, anything is possible. I don't favor the man by the way.

I still think costello will one day run this country.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 7 August 2009 9:52:46 AM
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Malcolm has proven himself long before entering Parliament but I view his ego is in his way and he has lost sight on being cautious and has become reckless and hence made this ill-fated attack upon Kevin.
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I have absolutely no doubt that Malcolm could turn the tide if he was less aggressive against Kevin and concentrate more upon what issues he can pursue that is acceptable with the electorate and can score him political advantage.
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We had John Howard going around with the debt truck only to more then double it when he was in power and having sold of the family jewels, so to say.
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Generally no matter who is in power they consider what may suit them best to be elected in the next election and voting for one or the other isn’t going to change it, unless you vote for independents as then you might end up with a House in chaos but at least you may stop the DICTATORSHIP that now exist.
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Constitutionally we do not elect leaders, they are so to say shoved down our throats. Whichever party exist they decide amongst themselves who shall be their leader and if they get into power they decide who will be leading them!
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Do not have the illusion that you vote for a Prime Minister because whomever becomes prime minister can be disposed of by his own party members in Parliament.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Saturday, 8 August 2009 12:27:49 AM
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