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Could Turnbull turn the tide

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I can't believe that anyone in their right mind could even mention the words "Hockey" and "just maybe" (regarding leadership) in the one sentence. Hockey is one of the biggest buffoons that parliament has ever had the misfortune to accommodate. Hockey will eventually be banished to the backblocks, just like Wilson Tuckey. Hockey is a serious liability for the great Liberal Party.
Posted by Master, Friday, 31 July 2009 3:55:01 PM
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Tony Abbott has disappointed me is aligning himself with the Murdoch dynasty.I would like to see a prospective future leader think for himself rather than wanting to be annointed by the global corporates.

I thought Malcolm Turnbull would shine,but alas is still finding his feet.He should be tearing the Cliche Kid to pieces.

Kevin Rudd is the most shallow,narsisstic person ever to have been granted the title of PM of Aust.Julia Gillard knows this,along with many others in Labor who have integrety.Kevin is the Kyle Sandilands of Aust politics.Grab any populist's headline to premote your own image.If Kevin Rudd is PM after the next election,he will destroy this country with debt and spending sprees that destroy productivity.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 31 July 2009 9:21:42 PM
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Sometime just after World War II some sort of an un-written pact was reached between Labor and the Conservative Party Coalition, that religion and politics would no longer be mixed in Australia. This deal held until after Mark Latham was languishing in the polls, and they called up Kim Beasley. When Beasley was still not cutting the mustard, some back room boys including Kevin Rudd, decided that they would have to make a move to beat Howard, and the way to do it was play the Christian Card.

This was cleverly done, by calling a National Christian Heritage Forum, in Canberra attended by about 500 influential Christians at Parliament house, on 6th and 7th August 2006, with representatives of Christian groups from all over Australia. That is where Kevin Rudd made his first public pitch that the Australian Labor Party was as Christian as the Liberal and National Coalition.

There are many Christian members of Parliament but they have had a bipartisan relationship, and not one was prepared to break ranks and openly campaign as a Christian until Kevin Rudd. This was a sucker punch to John Howard, unexpected and totally out of character for the Labor Party. No one ever accused Bob Hawke of being a Christian, and neither did Paul Keating attract that epithet, but Paul claimed that Labor was a religion with true believers, after winning the 1993 election, and the Christian centre stirred.

Secretly the Liberals and Nationals had been courting the Christian vote, and inflicted defeat after defeat on the Labor machine, in the federal political arena, until Labor decided to have a go at the religious card.

Most Australians are not all that happy with multi-culturism. We could tolerate it, because it gives us a great lifestyle, with a multifarious choice of restaurants, plenty of workers who want to make a better life for themselves, but underneath there has been resentment. If Turnbull wants to lead Australia, he had better start catering for the majority at the centre of Australian politics, and start to realize that there are many laws Christians do not like
Posted by Peter the Believer, Saturday, 1 August 2009 12:11:28 AM
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The Liberal Party machine in Manly prior to the 2004 election put out a Press release claiming that the Liberal party was a Broad Church. It was a Broad Church of the Christian variety of course, and when Mark Latham came out and said he was not gay, but an atheist, people like Bronwyn Bishop were able to campaign openly for the Christian vote, and won what should have been an un-winnable election.

Throughout the length and breadth of Australia a campaign is being waged calling on the current generation of Christians to be the justice generation. This campaign is not just in Sydney, but is said to reach up to two million Christians at least once a month by way of Christian television, CDs, DVDs and music, and the church leading the push is able to make music so good that it sells at or near the top of the popular charts. One of the body blows to Work Choices was the expression of public concern by both the Anglican and Roman Catholic Archbishops.

It is not just in Australia where this is happening, but also in places like Uganda where there is an Aids crisis, or was, and the Christian Church is leading the way in promoting ideas that have reduced the incidence of AIDS from about 40% down to about eight, and programs to house and feed widows and orphans.

While the mainstream churches like the Anglicans were feeling secure in their cosy paid for Churches, with extensive property holdings, the upstart radical mostly Protestant Christians have been out winning the young people back to church. There is still a long way to go, but it is already true that more people go to these churches than the combined memberships of all Political Parties.

Straw polling of people who voted Labor for the first time in 2007, indicates that they voted Labor, because they saw Federal Labor as a more just party than the Liberals. They simply did not see work choices as just, but the dissatisfaction goes much deeper. Turnbull could tap into this mother lode
Posted by Peter the Believer, Saturday, 1 August 2009 12:38:56 AM
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A Christian Scholar looking back at the last 100 years, will see the gradual departure from the principles of the Christian system of government, starting about 1949. When Ben Chiffley was defeated by big business, after an aborted attempt to nationalize the banks, and Menzies was defeated in a very determined attempt to ban the Communist Party, both political machines were having trouble with their Christian factions. Somewhere a deal was struck, and both major parties considered their Christian connections could be ignored because they balanced each other out.

When Whitlam started governing like Nero, the people were enormously uncomfortable, and welcomed Fraser with open arms and a clear majority, expecting to see the tide rolled back. It did not happen, and in fact by 1982 people were saying he was no better than Whitlam, and they may as well have Hawke. Hawke is a PK. A PK is a Pastors Kid, and a lot of them harbor resentment against the Christian Church their fathers served, because the lifestyle of many pastors was hard.

There was often not a lot of money around, parsimonious parishioners were often not willing to support their pastor, or value his teaching. Many were either ignorant of the importance of Christianity, or in a community divided between a Catholic Majority and a Protestant minority.

The scholars will see that Paul Keating’s government introduced an enormous amount of legislation that if enforced, restored the Christian system, and that he did not deserve to lose in 1996, if there was any justice in the world.

His mistake was believing the Christian vote was irrelevant, and boasting about the ideology of the “True believers”. This was unacceptable to a small group of swinging voters right at the centre, who shifted camps. He and Howard still look as if they cannot believe what’s happened to them.

Turnbull has the ball at his feet. One thing Christians are supposed to do is forgive. There is a DVD out there circulating extolling the virtues of the Constitution. Turnbull should get a copy and decide if he wants to be Prime Minister
Posted by Peter the Believer, Saturday, 1 August 2009 1:14:28 AM
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Latham gay?
I do not think he was even happy, or human.
Right now, yep now read the polling, take a quick look, poor old Turnbull is at 16%.
He never ever can come back from that.
Well if his party let him lead then yes he could.
But they are fractured and lost, just look at this mornings Murdock press, Ajay like it or not they are the engine room of your party.
The blind insulting references to ALP conference, the little boy like support for Turnbull, its hugely wasted effort.
Abbott is a dill, but he is being fast tracked to try for Turnbulls job, notice Hockey, [every thing master says is true but still a very real chance] has been quite?
It is a fact, wisdom does not always lay in only our own ideas.
Australia thinks far different than say master or arjay, Rudd is here to stay.
Turnbull is not.
Largely because his party has pushed him in the wrong direction ,wrong ideas if any except opposition for the sake of it.
This evolution of the ALP is forever, get your money on it, Rudd and his party are here to stay, 3 terms no less .
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 1 August 2009 5:26:35 AM
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