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Could Turnbull turn the tide

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It is so good to hear an intelligent thoughtful individual like Belly, admit mad Mark Latham was a disaster. However what was his disaster, and how close did the Australian Labor Party go towards losing its fifth straight election.

It could lose its first in a new run of Liberal wins, if a really good lawyer was to prosecute the next election in front of the big jury. Most of the Liberal front bench are lawyers, Turnbull, Abbot, Coonan, and lots more but if you know how extraordinarily ordinary the average Australian lawyer is, as I do, you would despair as a Liberal voter, and the good Labor voters could rejoice.

My good Labor friends raged about the dismissal in 1975. They vilified Sir John Kerr, but in reality all he did was refer the decision as all good judges should to the jury to determine as fact whether the incumbent was a fit and proper person to lead the Government. Unfortunately they did not have much choice, and until Rudd came along, there was no change of government for about forty years.

Unfortunately for Kevin, he only got the leadership by three votes, and still has a huge lawyer’s rump in the Labor Party, and an even bigger conservative resistance party in the public service, so he is vulnerable to an attack in the big jury, from a real Christian leader. In 20 months he has not yet addressed homelessness, the dishonesty of the High Court, the dishonesty of the Federal Court of Australia and Family Courts, and a few other things, that he should have given priority to.

Turnbull could turn the tide by turning tail and walking out of the Parliament of the Commonwealth, into a safe State seat to lead New South Wales into the coming millennia. Both he and Tony Abbott are Roman Catholic. The belief since birth and primary school that the priest is always right, is a handicap, that a certain leader with a Baptist Christian brother does not have. Rudd and Gillard prosecuted in front of the Big Jury, could be interesting
Posted by Peter the Believer, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 6:54:22 AM
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Ok Belly, retail sales have fallen and the blame has been pointed at the stimulus package running on empty. The cash is gone!

So what now. All that money splashed around, all that debt incurred for future generations and little to no REAL jobs created.

You accuse me of lifting the rug; well Krudd has done just that. He's adopted the old 'just throw money at it and it will go away'. Yep! But now the money has run out so now what. More stimuli, more debt, still without REAL job creation.

Remember, we only have a very small population here and, considering the under aged and the over aged, then take away the 42% who don't pay positive taxes, boy there's not many of us left to pay back that debt.

As we are now running on empty again and, with certain job losses almost a given, how and when do you propose we will pay back this enormous Krudd debt?

Now unless you intend to answer my question, rather than put me down again, I would request that you please do not make refference to me again in this thread.

Of cause I would preffer that you answer the question!
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 7:14:21 AM
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Labor finished with a 52.70 per cent two-party-preferred figure, a 5.44 per cent swing from 2004. On preferences, 79.7 per cent of Green votes flowed to Labor, 60.3 per cent of Family First votes flowed to the Coalition, with 62.5 per cent of Democrat votes flowing to Labor.

One would think relying on the hype of the media, and the incompetence of Turnbull, that the win for Labor was monumental. These figures come from Wikipedia, and reflect the plurality of the Australian electorate. If a certain figure accepts that he should not really leave the Parliament at the end of this term, and that he has a duty of some kind to the people who voted for him, in not quite large enough numbers to be next Prime Minister, last election, then this next election could be interesting.

Three people in one hundred, in a uniform swing, would change this government, and re-instal a Liberal one. If the polling by Opinion Poll seven weeks out from November 24 2007, had been realised on election night, the result would have been a total disaster for the Liberals, as there were predicted to be 14 people in a hundred shifting camp. Kevin Rudd is being lulled into a sort of semi coma, by the sycophants who always surround an incumbent, but he should remind himself not to take his electorate for granted. They are fickle and if a new and good looking boyfriend came along, and asked for a date with destiny, Destiny just may go out with him.

It is a real pleasure to live in interesting times. Kevin Rudd has not yet rolled back the legislation made to appease a NSW Gangster, by the Liberal Party after 1975. He should get a good legal adviser to show him how he can do this without any further legislation, and may even be able to employ one after he retires at the next election. The Dollar Sweets man, will have to make a dollar somehow. Kevin is not a lawyer, but he needs good independent legal advice. The AGS need not apply
Posted by Peter the Believer, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 7:36:48 AM
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Living in Far North Queensland, and at one time being a cattleman, and enjoying a cool beer on a hot day, in Coen, Cooktown, Lakeland and Mareeba, I have heard plenty of tales from people who have been prosecuted on indictment for stealing cattle.

These all had one theme running through them, and that was that when the chips are down, a person needs the best legal advice available. Every one of these lovable rogues was probably guilty of stealing at least one beast in his life, as the temptation to kill a fat bullock that just happens to be stealing your grass, and knowing the owner has probably eaten one of yours, is huge.

I know one case where a bloke was accused of poddy dodging, and of course when the trial came on some two years after there were only pictures to show, the evidence having grown up into bullocks and cows by then. The good lawyer hired knew a bit about cattle, and noticed an anomaly in the evidence. The pictures of the alleged stolen calves, were taken against a Yard Rail, and they were not as big as they should have been at the age alleged. The calves were ring ins, and the alleged cows, were not the ones the Police had mustered. CASE DISMISSED.

In another case an agent was accused of claiming excessive numbers of cattle which had died in transit, from Cape York to Mareeba, in the cattle trucks. Truckies do their best but somehow sometimes a beast will die. These are insured. A bumbling local lawyer was hired at first, but it looked grim. The boys were looking at doing some time in Her Majesty’s . In desperation they went to Brisbane, and hired a real lawyer. This bloke cost them $40,000 but he found serious flaws in the Police case, and they got off without even a fine.

Kevin Rudd needs to look outside his usual advisers, because if Turnbull does the honourable thing and falls on his sword, a good Constitutional argument, could see Rudd rolled
Posted by Peter the Believer, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 7:58:02 AM
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PTB? the longest time Labor was in opposition is 23 years.
Unable to understand your reference to 40 years.
Rechtub what was the question?
Bloke this forum is , well I think it is, a place of free speech, a place we can, with respect state our opinions.
Now most of us, you and I for sure, do not hide what we think.
Are you telling me while you no doubt have a view about me you do not want me to have one about you?
Look truly, that anyone, no matter who, thinks Turnbull can win a federal election, or would consider going to state Parliament, is so far from reality it stuns me.
The thread is not stumbling on much more but it had real promise if people are honest.
The thread asked a question the answer is no
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 5:02:10 PM
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Rechtub what was the question?

Yes belly, here was my question.
As we are now running on empty again and, with certain job losses almost a given, how and when do you propose we will pay back this enormous Krudd debt?

History shows us that labor has a habbit of running up huge debt, then the conservitives have to try and balance the books.

As we all no doubt know from our own experiences, it takes much longer to repay debt than it does to clock it up.

Perhaps this explains why the conservitives have enjoyed almost a 2 to 1 majority when it comes to the holding of office over the past 100 years.

So over to you belly. Just how does Krudd and his crusaders intend to repay the debts, or, will it simply be up to the other side to once again fix the problems created from Krudds reckless ways.

By the way, I would never stop you from voicing your opinion. This is what olo is all about.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 8:33:16 PM
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