All Threads die, they wander in and out of reality, as some pursue rather strange ideas.
Rechtub pushes his class war barrow, Ludwig has an interesting barrow, one most of us agree in part with.
But self interest, that drives voters.
Mr what ever believes both sides can win the next election,if only they follow his path.
The thread asks questions about Turnbull.
Nothing else.
This mornings Australian answers that question.
Have no doubt, he is finished.
Now if John Howard stepped back into his party's leadership this morning he COULD NOT WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
Why?
Be open be honest, stop the Krudd rubbish, a bill to limit political donations, to make it clear who gives them, is one of nine stalled in the senate.
Look at that list.
Ask why.
Look come just look with an open mind, at our national debt, fear it I do.
But compare it with America's, England's, the worlds,
This ALP voter says it is time, today, for our country's sake
For conservatives to come to the aid of their party, opposition for opposition sake has blinded you to reality you must not wait for us to drop the ball.
Your side is in big trouble, you do not even know what direction to run in.
In part Turnbull died at the hands of true fools within his party , in retrospect he should never have been able to buy way in to the job.
Find leadership, find direction, find solidarity behind a policy's plan, not fighting dirty.

Perhaps Turnbull could turn the tide by going cap in hand to Peter Costello and asking him to take the leadership. Someone said he could be the greatest leader the NSW Liberals ever had. Peter Van Onsolen suggested as much on Saturday.

As a hard nosed lawyer,with a proven track record in economic management it is hard to see how the Liberal Party would not draft Costello in its time of need.

Menzies was after all down a few times in his career too. The Opposition needs to be credible to make sure the Government does its job properly.

What an extraordinary contradiction:

To promote Costello as leader and then say;

“The Opposition needs to be credible to make sure the Government does its job properly.”

Dear oh dear odear!! { ;~|

Yes it is strange on many levels, he does not want the job, he has as many enemy's as friends, in the party.
He has calmed down, got the sneer under control but it would appear only too soon if he did a back wards triple summer salute.
He will not, ever, who will lead?
PTB has said a truth, right now leadership and direction are a must.
Look at the conservatives front bench look no further than shadow treasurer Coonan, surely they must look else ware for the future
If 10 dead weight members went now, a leader could be drafted, surely a pool of talent exists??
Lets not look for it in state Parliaments, in NSW even with my mob lost and not worth finding their best assert is a just as bad Liberal party.

Look come just look with an open mind, at our national debt, fear it I do.
But compare it with America's, England's, the worlds

Belly, you can’t compare our national debt with US etc unless you take it as ‘per capita’.

Remember, we only have 22 million. New York has this many alone almost.

In any case, why do my grand kids (and their not even born yet) have to be subjected to a life of debt.

Also, don’t forget Creen and Lathem . You are just lucky Krud came along

Well rechtub at least you came here to empty your rubbish bin.
Others who slandered Rudd and Swan in the threads lets talk are noted by their absence.
You will never be shaken from your path by facts, but our debt ,the worlds debt, is a fact.
It is and was our only path , your shops and many others suffered far less because of stimulus package.
Waste concerns me, some of the story's about schools soon to close are waste, if true.
You rechtub waste your words in not truly lifting the rug, looking at what got your mob into this mess.
Not understanding at a time so very many are concerned at our debts our future.
Very few, not enough, would consider your lost in space mob, to be in power.
Malcolm Turnbull? he can not sail your ship away from the rocks he is sure to go or your ship does.
Regards for your confidence in Rudd, you give weight to my plee, we came back, from the worst leader in our history Latham.
The journey for your lost tribe is a bit further but Turnbull is not one bit better for you than Mad Mark was for us