soc pupette quote<<You know the score!planet wins and the weak dies,>>..mate that is the way of the beast...there is no such thing as a win for the planet...its our our resource base...but its basiclly a closed loop system

sure we flush our used poop into oceans..mine third world estates AND POLUTE THEIR RIVERS...but the thing is..in time the earth repairs itself...

in the end the poisens get flushed into the ocians..accumulates into the subduction zones and the system regurgitates its[our waste in its cycle via some volcano..or pole shift..or earth quake...even if we did nothing,..the cycle goes on]

<<and this time clock,we are running short of,I can only give you a hand full of...I told you so,s!>>mate your falling for the spin...the powers that be like to talk up peak oil and such other scarcities..to get the price up...

its a game...go for a drive and se all the empty farmland...if its organic we can grow it...algie farming will make sure we got enough oil[for fretiliser/plastics..or fuels

<<You too can make a difference>>,,in time you will see nothing we do #can make any difference...learn to tell spin from fact

<<Answer me this.How much would you all work,if you had a chance to go too the Moon or Mars,how hard would you study?>>>mate your dreaming[delusional...get this no matter how bad things appear to be we got the main bits of the system still working..[on mars you need to begin from scratch..and get the junk over there to terraform..build/grow/survive mate mars freaming is nuts...how do they say begin change in your own bach garden

<<There!Can you follow the yellow brick-road?>>and your the delusional wizard..of oz..speaking from behind your curtain..thanks toto..

<<How much of this world can man dig up,and it still leave,s you with..........>>..with what..what ocians of minerals in our seas?..rivers of plastic..mountains of food..empty shops

Thank you all of you, for your many and varied opinions. The whole problem is we have shut off our pipeline to Almighty God, by failing to follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, in the New Testament. He promised to be there always to guide us, and while he still mostly guides the United States, he cannot guide us under the common law, because we no longer have any in Australia.

It Sunday and as I was sitting in Church, I realized that when we abolished the common law we also abolished the continued blessings that flow from humble worship of the Lord. The common law was the law common to everyone under the Christian Almighty God. We did not worship Parliament, we did not worship Judges and Magistrates, we did not have millions of words of contradictory Statutes, but we did have a public forum much like OLO where we could raise debatable matters of concern, and have them decided by a fair just and impartial tribunal of fact (these words are out of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: Article 14).

Jesus Christ in John 5 verses 22 and 23, tells us if we don’t honor Him, we don’t honor Almighty God, so why should Almighty God bless us. The prayer in the Constitution, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, is meaningless when we must worship a State appointed God, called a Judge or Magistrate. There is a complete prohibition in S 116 Constitution, on the State becoming a religion, but we must now worship a Judge, or Magistrate and make a prayer to an individual, instead of to an ecclesia. We pray in a Church, but the power and the glory of Almighty God is exercised in a court.

The Courts created by the States and Territories and the Commonwealth, are all illegal, because there is no such capital letter word in S 79 Constitution. That goes for every Court from High Court to Magistrates Court, and when man starts to think he is a God, trouble is brewing. Where are you Kevin

PTB wrote: "The whole problem is we have shut off our pipeline to Almighty God, by failing to follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, in the New Testament."

Dear PTB,

Jesus as a pipeline to God? Jews believe there is nothing between humans and God. Muslims believe that Mohammed is the prophet who transmitted the word of God. Catholics believe that the traditions and pronouncements of their church interpret the word of God. Your belief is different from their beliefs. There is no reason to accept any of the beliefs. Your beliefs are probably due to the fact that you chose parents with similar beliefs.

One can doubt the reliability of the New Testament. It is more probable that humans made up the story of the various miracles than that there actually were miracles. The miracles were fiction, and we don't know how much of the narrative outside of the miracles were also fiction.

The Bible is neither a scientific text, a reliable history, a reliable guide to behaviour nor a reliable predictor of the future. The Old Testament contains a lot of old Hebrew tribal legends, and the New Testament contains a lot of legends about Jesus who may never have existed at all.

I really find belief in God as incompatible with belief in miracles. I am not sure I believe in God, but I have a concept of God if he exists. My concept of God is an entity that has created a world of order which is partially expressed in the laws of physics and chemistry. Whatever purposes God may have can be achieved without violating physical and chemical constraints. To need a miracle means to me that God is imperfect and cannot achieve his purpose without violating those laws. With or without a God I believe in a world of order which follows natural laws. Therefore accounts of miracles must be invented.

There are many problems. One problem is that people confuse belief in unprovable propositions with truth.

Ludwig wrote, "god'th a bloody bloomin blithththtering dthrongo"

This marvelously intelligent quote comes from the "FAKE" self professed "greenie" from other threads, whose claims of links to greenie organizations is betrayed by his often right wing statements of belief. He's NO greenie. Yep, there we have Ludwig, sitting behind his typewriter furiously pretending to be someone he's not. What a w a n k e r!

And now we have the "fake" greenie here on this thread, offering his astute analysis via his tiny mind.

david..the miracles have teachings../attatched to them...like the miracle of wine into water..is about how far servants will go to make sure their masters dont loose face

and..the feeding of the hungry..how people are fixed in their faiths..as you have generously explained re the qaran..so i wil explain the teachings

at the cana weding..jesus clearly reveals[to his mother]..it is not yet my time....thus clearly saying../what happens next is nought to do with me...

so what happend...the host had a booze up...drunks being drunks..drank the cheap booze...next we have the messiah...who tells them its naught to do with me...saying..why..[i dont care]..if you feed them that douche water

now you may be shocked..at hearing the truth..[so i will prove it]...see that ritual cleanlyness..is a fetish..[to the abrahamic tribes...do not the muslims wash..at their temple's..,before approaching god in prayer

well it was the same..in the time of the messiah..[there were 7 ritual jars there to progressivly..make them selves clean...when the messiah says..clean the jars and give the guests the water from the dirt jars...THINK..[wouldst anyone drink from a toilet

[even the best wine?...noting the wine from the..'jars'..was better..lol..[we can summise..that the guests got the best of the masters private/stash..rather to/risk..the masters wrath..than embariss their master

at the mountain..feeding the jews..[a count was made of the fish/etc...yet after eating..[all they WISHED...there was an increase...because tradition at the time..insists a gift be brought[WITHOUT THE RITUEL OF THE HANDWASH JARS..none could wish to eat..[so fixed are men in ritual]

his deciples didnt realise it..[because they next ate..[with unwashed hands..of the shew bread...to which..the high priest specificlly pointed..their lapse out...

to which jesus replied..its not what man puts in his mouth..that makes him unclean..[but that which issues forth..from it

his deciples knew the unclean teaching...[those on the mount did not...but/yet..his deciples thus missed the teaching...[of fixed ritualised faith...in land/books/rituel/rank bloodline,thus missing the living/loving god,..alltogether

jesus even divided..those present to sit..oppisite each-other..so none would be tempted..to eat with dirty hands...

because such is their faith in ritual..[and other rites..that have become more important than..the living loving personal GOD

Dear oug,

Sure the miracles were there to teach lessons. However, some people believe they actually happened. if one reads the Bible as fables to teach lessons. Fine. You might learn from it. To believe it actually happened is superstition.