Some facts Banjo like it or not you may very well be born before your time.
I believe not, now is the time for us all of us to understand birth control, not abortion, true control, is a must for all of the world not just some.
What else will stop the need for wars to kill so many.
AS helps our debate, the lurch away from the thread highlights a shortage of housing and far to high prices of homes, driven in part by migration.
Talk of dividing homes to fit more in one yard are not helping maybe we should stand on other shoulders?
I am what I say a true humanist hurt very badly by Howard's detention laws the pain of watching ANY illegal person crying as they are taken to the plane.
The dreadful uprooting of people who have lived among us for years even now even under Rudd.
But blindness will not take this problem away.
If my dream came true this very day.
If the whole world united and replaced every bad government, if we fed every hungry human ,clothed them, housed them, without birth control our problem would only grow very much worse.

To start my systematic response to your comments Master….

“The current Labour Government … has got the balance fairly right, for the time being.”

I’ve got vehemently disagree with that. Record high immigration, of which only a tiny portion comprises refugees, is the antithesis of any sense of balance. How do you see it as balanced?

“Over the next 30 or so years ALL countries will be FORCED, through "necessity and self preservation", to SHARE THE LOAD. I've already said it's this ‘sharing the load’ that will solve the refugees' horrible plight. All countries will benefit from their new citizens.”

You’ve said this a number of times. But I just don’t understand how you can make this assertion. Surely as things become worse, there is going to be more resistance to large-scale refugee movements. And surely in the interests of self-preservation, many countries are going to look after their own first and leave refugees out of the picture, especially as the numbers of refugees escalates and the value of accommodating significant numbers in terms of dealing with the issue evaporates, because no matter how many a country takes, there will always be millions more.

All western countries that are currently reliant on oil are not going to be in any position to take large numbers of refugees when the energy crunch bites. Those countries are going to be very hard-pressed indeed to hold their societies together without worrying about immigrants of any kind.

As things get worse, the barriers to refugee movement to countries like Australia, USA, Canada, etc are very likely to go up.

More later.

Wow you’re way more north than Belly is then. Fractelle is way way south, Anontios is south but over a bit. I gather Yabby is way west and in the wops somewhere. Master is in the country but I wasn’t sure which state.

After coming from a little country I do find it amazing the distances between people all in the same country.

I remember the drive from Alice to Adelaide and that big south road – hope it’s fixed now, was like driving on corrugated iron, your whole body keeps juddering after you stop. It undid the screws in the caravan in front of us and their kitchen fell apart. Red dust everywhere. Somewhere on that road we stopped at a picnic stop and I got out to watch some road train and the dude tooted his horn at me and I nearly wet myself, then I turned around and there was a feral bull staring at me – at that point I may have actually wet myself.

But I do recall being up your way when younger Ludwig, well I remember these big crickets in the toilets and trying to catch a tree frog. And I went to this island called Green Island but there wasn’t much there and no water then. I cut my foot on a piece of coral and this Aussie lady back at the caravan park poured meths on it because my parents didn’t know it could get it infected. Bloody hurt too.

In Darwin I got an ear infection from a public pool and my jaw locked up a little while later.

I remember miles of rockpools with funny fish in them somewhere on the way to Broome. Sleeping in an underground Motel in Coober Pedy and staring at the Olgas from the top of Ayres Rock. Somewhere I was at there was a dry river bed that was white with XXXX cans, can still picture it.

Give me a few years Luddy, I might get to see it all again from a campervan, demand a place to park from all OLO users.[grin]

Jewels, if ya coming through Broken Hill NSW, head south for one hour towards Menindee. We have a HUGE family here on great expanses on land; we'll all welcome ya!

While wearing our hearts on our sleeves and looking forward to admitting as many people as possible, maybe we should also show some sympathy for the young Australians who want to have children but cannot, through reasons as simple as they do not have adequate housing.

'Around one third of men and women expected to have fewer children than they ideally wanted....

For most people, being childless or having fewer children than they ideally would like is not from a lack of wanting children.'

It's not for lack of wanting kids...
A report on the Fertility Decision Making Project
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/resreport11/summary.html

"For most people, being childless or having fewer children than they ideally would like is not from a lack of wanting children.'

It's not for lack of wanting kids..."

If they want kids they can lend a hand and bloody foster them or adopt one from a country with spares. We are such spoilt little brats aye, want bigger houses, want this thing and that thing cause why - oh cause we just WANT.

I need to get offline, I am in a crap mood. Sorry Cornflower.

Thankyou Master for your kind invite. I am putting it on my list!