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Foreign Students, How Many?

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More ignorance from Maximillion - there's tens of thousands of people involved in higher education in Australia, and the majority of them don't teach. You seem very happy in your ignorant state, so I won't bother to try and help you alleviate it in future.

Do have a nice, blissfully ignorant day.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:19:52 PM
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Yes Sir, please sir, I 'ave a note frum me mum sir, can I be excused please? Sir? Sir?
lol, I never did get on wiv me teachers. Despite being a scholarship winner and school Dux, topping almost every subject in every year, I was a fool, and followed my wit, such as it was, and found my way in the real world, not some protected academical half-world. Half my family and friends are teachers, and I've dealt with them for twenty years as a parent, so I know the breed well.
I pity the lot of them, for their work environment, and their blindness.
You are a classic example.
Posted by Maximillion, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 2:13:44 PM
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I think you've confused higher education with high school, Max.
Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 2:39:00 PM
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Bugsy,
Are you saying that all foreign students here are doing courses in higher education?

Are none involved in trade and industry courses?

A friend, in sydney, has 2 overseas student boarders, in their home, who are here studying english. Or perhaps I should say learning english. I have met them and as I understand it, they are deliberately boarded with families that only speak english, so they are sort of compelled to learn english. Nice young people too.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 2:42:56 PM
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I am not sure how to reply to your comment Bugsy. In some ways it seems to imply an elitist comment, yet I am not sure that was how it was intended. Separating Higher Education (Colleges and university from Industry Based Education and Training is not the way to go. Many academic qualification require industry based training and education and experience. Therefore, I would argue that both are part of an on-going education system without separation. There will be those who will opt out with getting a trade qualification and there will be those who will continue.
I have made many friends among university and trade training teachers and they are equally frustrated with the Howard/Kennet system of user pays.
I am not against oversea students and respect their right to go to any country where they think they may receive the sort of education they require.
I have tutored overseas students and find them, just as Australians, bright and keen to learn, so why have any prejudice against them?

Education from primary to university was developed to educate Australian citizens. Education from primary to university trained and educated ensured Australians would have the latest knowledge and experience along with the ability to be entrepreneurs so we were among the foremost in the world. Our researchers and developers were recognised worldwide. Our people were encouraged to move overseas.

Sadly this is no longer the case and Australia is becoming poorly judged.
Somehow, this priority of quality has lost out to asset and revenue gathering in the drive to generate revenue using overseas students as one of its bank books.
We now have a top-heavy administration wholly directed to revenue gathering and not towards quality education.
Some, not all, courses have been de-skilled to allow students, noticeably, non-English speaking students to pass their grades.
Posted by professor-au, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 3:56:20 PM
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Just a further comment:

We should remember that sad or bad news is good news for the media. It gets greater reading.
So I would urge caution about what the media is reporting on Indian students.
Check the nationality of all foreign students and you might find that the Indian student is a small proportion and those getting the media attention are a still smaller proportion.
Many foreigners refuse to play media games and concentrate on getting a good education
regards
Professori_au
Posted by professor-au, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 4:06:51 PM
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