Everything these days is based on numbers,statistics and profit - everything is being CORPORATISED - people are under stress everywhere. Quality of everything is being compromised because we are all too busy trying to keep our job and keep up stats requirements. It is all short term thinking and who cares of about the consequences. Fraud has become acceptable - finance industry for example.

professor-au
I wrote this example to show how cheap, how idiot are many people and how easily and often they violate people's rights! In my case when I asked them to fix the water they said me that I did not pay the rent for four weeks and asked me to leave the unit! But I paid it threw the bank and I have had the statements, they did not fix the water and I left the unit when expired the contract. I took the bonus.
I MEAN IN EVERY STEP I DO I SEE CHEAP PEOPLE VIOLATING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS!
IT IS SEEMED TO ME THAT TO BE A MIGRANT, A SOLE PARENT, (I WAS BOTH) TO BE IN DIFFICULT POSITION IS A PROVOCATION TO VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS!
professor-au Thank you for your interest!
I was working for many years in the Unions overseas and I trained my self to smell, to see the unjustice from very far!
Employers have improved abilities to smell, see the money and profit from very far BUT DO NOT ASK SOME OF THEM FOR JUSTICE, THEY DID NOT DISCOVER IT YET, SOME OF THEM DID NOT DISCOVER YET WHAT IS SOCIAL SENSITIVITY AND RESPONSIBILITY!
professor-au THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. We need people like you, continue writing in the forum.
You are not only very experienced and well educated person but you are a fair, honest and mature person.
Thank you
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Constance
"Everything these days is based on numbers,statistics"
What kind of statistics? There are statistics which show the truth and other statistics which hide the truth.
The international financial crisis caused in high degree of cause the numbers and statistics!
Usualy banks first create a baloon and after start to use the numbers and statistics about the growth of the baloon!
We know at the end what hapen with the baloons but then it is very late!
Statistcs and numbers could be usufull if they created from fair and honest people for fair and right goals, if they created to hide the truth, to cheat people and grab their wealth then statistics and numbers are very dangerous!
I prefer instead to read the statistics to "read" the moral code of the people who created them!
Antonios Symeonaklis
Adelaide

An important point being missed is that BOTH foreign students and employers are equally able to play the role of exploiter.
--- the student working outside of visa conditions.
---the employer paying less than the legal rate.
Neither, is likely to expose the other --unless there is a falling out -– because both are getting more than they would under normal circumstances.


It is a symbiotic relationship: the student is not an (innocent) loser in such a transaction– true, they are getting RELATIVELY less than a non-foreigner, in the same occupation– but, they are earning more than the honest, foreign student or unemployed local who are playing by the rules.

The real losers are those on the lower rungs in the host community, who as Antonius has point out (and, quite well!) inherit the resulting higher rentals , reduced employment opportunities and welfare bill. (PS I notice from one of CJs links it not only about students working --- there is also provision for an accompanying adult to work – so what ever applies to -- students-- is also likely to be true regarding their working guardians).

While I am not suggesting that all students, or all employers, are in on the racket – I would suggest it is far from rare.
It would be even more difficult to measure the extend of such rorting than the revenue stream -– and the best revenue estimate is a SPAN from 12.5 --$16Billion! --- more than a bit of room for error!
Perhaps we should contract the same Chaser team (now they’ve got a week to spare) who gave us the rubbery, revenue figure to come up with a rorting estimate also!

And as for: “but I think you will find that the students are doing what all kids at that age do”
Unfortunately, not “all kids ” are able to find employment “sweeping out the kitchens at Red Rooster, or filling supermarket shelves at 2 in the morning” because opportunities are very limited –and made even more limited by the presence of non-citizens willing to undercut.

Horus
Thank you!
The truth is that government and employees do not care very much for low income employees.
The truth is that federal or state governments do not care ver much for taxpeyers money.
The truth is that they avoid to use their brain very often!
There are many solusion for this problem but they was lazy and they did not do anything for the solusion of the problem, exept from thinking forein student's billions of dollars!
They did not care for the cost from the huge invasion of foregn students.
WHEN THE BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENTS DECIDED TO BRING A BIG NUMBER OF FOREIGN STUDENTS THEY HAD FIRST TO CHECK FOR ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENSIES AND TRY HARD AND FAST TO MINIMIZE THE COSTS FROM THE BIG NUMBER OF FOREIGN STUDENTS.
They did nothing!, one more time they transfer the cost to the low income employees and Australian taxpeyers.
As a union member I try to "press" the Australian Union Movement to support australian low income employees and protect australian taxpeyers money BUT i do not know if I can do many things.
I WANT TO STOP IMMEDIATLY THE PERMISION FOR WORK OF FOREIGN STUDENTS.
The Australian Union movement is controled in high degree from the labour aristocracy, the white collars who do not understand and care very much for the low income labours AND the Australian Union Movement is extremely close to ALP and often follow it, even if with this way they damage the interests from the UNION MEMBERS.
I am a simple member of the Union and I try to support the Union members IN NEED, the australian low income employees.
The huge number of foreign students, their right to work in these hard times of cause the international financial crisis etc, IS A DISASTER FOR AUSTRALIAN LOW INCOME EMPLOYEES!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonois, Horus, and Professor,
As I see it you all make good points. All 'industries' have a cost. No one should think that the money earned from us having foreign students is all fresh foreign income with no costs.

Firstly, there is the money earned here by the students and their guardians. Information seems lacking in this regard but could be up to around 25% of the estimated income.

Secondly there is the impact on the employment opportunities for Australians seeking the same type of work.

There is also an impact on the rental market. What landlord is going to rent to a family if he can get far more from a bunch of students?
This adds to the scarcity of places to rent.

Then you have the additional 500,000 traveling daily which adds to our transport conjestion.

If Australian workers are disadvantaged by Telstra's actions relating to training linesmen, are others similarly disadvantaged.

Then are the suggestions that some foreign students are being ripped off by employers and others are working far more than allowed by law.

If Antonios suggestion is taken that foreign students not be allowed to work at all, it may have the effect of more working illegally and more being taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers.

Bugsy,
I cannot find anywhere on the Immigration website, information about how many 'permanent resident' visas are granted annually to holders of 'student' visas. It appears that about 250,000 student visas are granted each year. There is no email address, so conventional mail will have to be used and that could take 2-3 months to get a reply, but has been sent anyway.

I really hope that there is only a few PR visas granted of which none involve enrolments at 'mickey mouse' courses.