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Free speech under attack

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Anansi,

<<KBM (I'm guessing that's me)- don't waffle about the Netherlands or Wilders. Wilders hasn't been stopped from giving controversial viewpoints. He's a member of parliament (House of Representatives) for goodness sakes.>>

Geert Wilders is under police protection 24/7 because of constant death threats from Islamists aimed at terminating his right to speak (Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh was murdered by an Islamist in Amsterdam on 2 Nov 2004 after making a film about women under Islam).

Geert Wilders was the first parliamentarian of an EU country to be refused entry to another EU country. On 12 Feb 2009 he was detained at Heathrow and returned to the Netherlands on the orders of the British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith. He had been invited to play his film Fitna and talk to the House of Lords about the problem of Islam. The British government denied him the right to speak.

Geert Wilders was investigated by the public prosecutor at the behest of the Dutch government to determine whether his film Fitna had broken Dutch "hate" laws. The prosecutor determined that he hadn't.

Geert Wilders was subsequently ordered to stand trial by a Dutch court which reversed the public prosecutor's finding. This was motivated by opposing political factions. He currently awaits trial.

Geert Wilders has a warrant outstanding against him issued by the Jordanian government, which seeks to prosecute him for blasphemy. If he travels to a country with an extradition treaty with Jordan he faces the risk of deportation to Jordan to stand trial.

Geert Wilders' film Fitna consists almost entirely of verses from the Koran juxtaposed with terrorist actions motivated by those verses.

Ironically "formerly UK based Jihadist Omar Bakri said that “Fitna” could have been produced by Muslim extremists" but because it was produced by a non-Muslim it constitutes "hate" speech.
http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/29/fitna-could-have-been-made-by-al-qaeda/

I'm having difficulty reconciling your statement that "Wilders hasn't been stopped from giving controversial viewpoints" with the apparent reality. What exactly do you mean by "hasn't been stopped"?

Fitna the movie:
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/2/Fitna-Documentary-about-Islam-660675.html

Geert Wilders interviewed about Fitna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGh3WNsfTb4
Posted by KMB, Sunday, 3 May 2009 9:08:31 PM
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KMD:"Anything you say may be taken down and used as evidence against you."

Well then, I take it back.
Posted by Jewely, Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:10:27 PM
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Anansi...KBM
Jewely...KMD
I seem to be having an identity crisis.
Posted by KMB, Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:15:58 PM
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Stevenl,

Sorry: I'm having an horrific time with this site to-night so have only been able to get back to you now...and I think that, in the meantime, the answer I would have given has been expressed.

Jewely - From a somewhat cynical perspective, I don't think your impressions as a youngster about Free Speech were too far off the mark at all: - it seems indeed that the one who gets the most applause at the end of a speech does earn the right to go on to make others!

BTW, I am glad to have this opportunity of saying that I welcome the addition of your posts to this forum because I enjoy the freshness they bring.

KFC, - "Identity crisis"? Why?
Posted by Romany, Monday, 4 May 2009 1:20:30 AM
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Just recently one of my topics was ejected on the grounds that is was conspiracy theory.I can understand OLO wanting to remain credible,but this was a scientific study done by Prof Niels Harrit on 9/11.He and another 8 scientists have found Nano Thermite [a highly advanced exlosive] in the rubble of the towers.

Now unlike AGW,chemistry at this level is a very exact science.Many thousands of engineers and scientists had serious doubts about Building 7 which came down in a classic controlled explosion.Building 7 was not included in the official enquiry and was not impacted by aircraft.According to Harrit ,this evidence is irrefutable.

This is well worth viewing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 4 May 2009 8:43:23 AM
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Arjay,
Debunking the 911 conspiracy theory:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
Posted by KMB, Monday, 4 May 2009 9:40:58 AM
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