Doc Holliday,
Perhaps the non-existing lesbians are hiding behind the non-existing dinosaurs :+)

What I would like to see is a whole overhaul of the marriage thing. The definition is outdated, too.

Firstly, all people desiring to marry, including homosexuals, will have a state wedding (or a comprehensive civil union) to legalise the marriage.
The couple is then officially married.

For people who prefer a religious ceremony, they should go to their church and have a religious wedding or ceremony to make the wedding 'count' in the eyes of God, if they must.
This is optional just for religious people but it's not more valuable or valid in a society than just the state wedding.

All people will have the exact same rights including adoption of children. Married gay couples can still become fathers.

I have the impression that homophobics do not give their children a balanced view of reality. I have taught my children that there are all kinds of families and that these are all OK instead of denying it or criticising it.

It's highly unlikely that SSC are going to deny to their children that heterosexual couples exist!

Thanks, Snout for those links- I am sure homophobia and factophobia are related somehow so don't expect the homophobes to learn from the articles.

Homophobes have not made much sense so far.
I find the 'homosexuality is unnatural' very unreasonable for at least two reasons.
Firstly, homosexuality occurs in nature and therefore is natural.
Secondly, human beings do unnatural things from morning till night, unlike animals- we are the most unnatural species that exist!

Driving cars is unnatural- look in hospitals for car crash victims. Should we ban all cars because some people are not careful drivers?
Perhaps we can learn to drive as safe as we can.

STD's are not just a gay issue- every responsible adult will have to make sure sex is safe. That's where condoms are designed for.

Gay bashings: Christians should protest that gay bashings are a violation of gospel.

Everybody should be able to feel safe in Australia; it is a human right.

holyshadow, "Can you prove that gay couples have a passing parade of sexual partners?" - not very authorative but I recall seeing the outcomes of some research on this a couple of months ago.

The claim was that gay men on average have about the same interest in a variety of partners as straight men but because their potential partners share that same level of interest they on average do have more partners than straight men.

I guess that means that like the heterosexual community they have to make choices about fidelity to existing partners, loyalty etc.

Like the heterosexual community some will be faithful to their partner, others will have a partners blessing for exploration and others will cheat.

In other words, move along folks, nothing to see here.

R0bert

Celivia,

“Perhaps the non-existing lesbians are hiding behind the non-existing dinosaurs :+)”

Of course dinosaurs existed! You can find out all about them through this web site. I’ve chosen the page about how they must have been loaded on to Noah’s Ark, but you can navigate back and forth to find out all sorts of exciting “facts” that will be news to any paleontologist (or to any eight year old of at least average intelligence). I’m sure Emperor Nasi Goreng is in there somewhere. I love this site. Hours of instructive fun.

http://christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-ark1.html

Actually, I would love this site if it were just fun, but these guys are deadly serious: they are actually trying to teach this crud as scientific and historical fact to children. This is, in my mind, a form of child abuse.

I realize this is off the topic, but it’s important to understand the intellectual level some religiously brainwashed people operate on. Not all Christians, by any means, but some of the most vocal have been profoundly educationally damaged as kids or vulnerable young adults. Hence the perverse resistance to just about anything approaching reason and objective fact.

In my experience, trying to argue with such people is like trying to talk a schizophrenic out of his delusions. Even if it were possible, you wonder whether you might in fact be doing more damage by demolishing a firmly entrenched psychological defence system.

Still, I worry about the kids who are being intellectually abused in this way.

GAY MARRAIGE ....never.

Child abuse is when a child learns that babies are formed from a female egg and male sperm, but they have 2 daddies ! (Or mummies)

The result of such abuse may not show up initially, but show up it will.

If a person feels they are homosexual, ok.. be that if you must, but don't seek to re-shape society along those lines. Don't teach children that male male or female female sex is normal, because it just plain is not.

I don't see why society should regard adult consenting Human/Animal sexual relations as 'normal' just because a significant number of humans participate in this behavior.
Its not normal nor will it ever be so.
The ONLY kind of sexual behavior which can ever be described as 'normal' is heterosexual. The word 'normal' arises out of the natural male female cyle of nature.

If a person is born with a penis and a vagina, he has a medical problem and no one would describe this as 'normal'. The poor soul just has to make some tough decisions in conference with medical professionals to get the best outcome.

I really get weary of people asking 'What is normal' when it is as plain as the nose on your face.

CONCLUSION ... Gay marraige ? no and never.

BD, unnatural - I'm fairly sure that you are not the one to be deciding what is natural and what is not http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=109#2085

"Its as plain as dogs balls on a grasshopper that a man over 50 with existing wives and who marries again to a 9 or 15 or 18 yrs old, is going to be more sexually interested in HER than in the 'old wrinklies'"

I think that most of us would find the idea of a 9 year old girl being considered more sexually appealing than a woman carrying some life experience rather unnatural (and sickening).

If gays wish to involve themselves in the failing tradition called marriage then let them. I tend to think it's time for a major rethink on societies role in that issue both to give consenting adults more options and to strengthen the value of committments made.

R0bert

I have known of children growing up in gay marriages for years and they show no signs of being morally or psychologically or physically damaged.

I know many children who grow up in single parent families and the same applies to them.

I do however know of many children who are psychologically and physically damaged from growing up with a mum and a dad.

My point is that children need a loving and caring family around them -no matter who they are and what their sexuality.

But hey you guys, don’t let this simple declaration get in the way of your testosterone fuelled poofter bashing session here. I’ll sit quietly over here in the corner and watch the competition unfold. What’s the prize?