Foxy, do you support bringing War Crimes charges against HAMAS for indiscriminatly firing Mortars & Rockets into Isreal. A simple Yes or No will do.

"yes" or "no"

Yeh, then there is no confusion.

The definition of a War Crime includes such items as -

directing attacks against civilians,
directing attacks against humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers,
settlement of occupied territory and
deportation of inhabitants of occupied territory.

Amnesty International previously accused Israel of War crimes during the previous Gaza incursion in 2005 (as well as accusations against Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia) but nothing was done about it.

There were certainly many horrific things done by the Allies during WW2 that were classified as War Crimes but these were either not fully investigated or simply not prosecuted, therefore the victor always has the final say.

Just for the record.. to keep foxy in her den :)

NO... no war crimes investigation should be carried out in respect of the Gaza incursion!

The WORLD has had many YEARS to 'act' against Hamas for it's war crimes of teaching children to hate and hurling bombs, mortars and rockets at innocent Israelis..and they have done SQUAT!

ROB P :) yes mate.. in spite of the hysterical Pericles and the yapping Morgan, both of whom know little about arguing "issues" but plenty about personal abuse...... I do know my subject.

Just one point.. you rightly suggested that it's hard to distinguish between 'propaganda' and objectivity in the sources. Now.. that is the very reason I chose the Muslim source for the seige of Taif as a reference. It is unlikely that they would try to portray Mohammad negatively. The strange thing though, is that they describe his actions..which to most clear thinking people would be an absolute abomination...yet they report it as if it were normal and nothing out of the ordinary.

Another source:
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MH_LM/campaigns_of_hunayn_and_al_taif.htm

scroll to the heading 'destruction of al Ta'if's Orchards'

It's an Islamic source. (shhhh.. don't tell Pericles it might cause him to enjoy dusting)

Your questions.

1/ "Forgive". Actually... it doesn't look like the Jews do much remembering of those past events..... they speak of security and right to exist rather than the events of Khayber and the such like.
So..I don't think they are particularly high in the secular Israeli mind.
2/ "Disproportionate". let me answer this with a question :) (no I'm not Jewish) "if"....they simply sent back as many rockets as they received " (up to 100/day) you know.."eye for an eye"... and they disabled the guidance systems....
Do you feel this would contribute to peace ? :)

Pericles... I draw your attention to the SIGN held up in Melbourne by the Muslim child! This matter is now with the Police.

"Jews need (Swastika symbol)MORE than before"

Nothing 'anti-Arab' at the Pro Israel rally on Jan8!

What an amazing bundle of contradictions you are, Boaz.

First I find this:

>>Pericles.. whack a mozzie ? *click* on "ignore".<<

Fair enough. I can understand that my observations were a little too close to the bone for comfort, so I would naturally expect you to pretend that you hadn't noticed.

But then there's this:

>>(shhhh.. don't tell Pericles it might cause him to enjoy dusting)<<

Whatever that might signify.

But wait, there's more.

>>Pericles... I draw your attention to the SIGN held up in Melbourne by the Muslim child! This matter is now with the Police. "Jews need (Swastika symbol)MORE than before"<<

Your point being, I guess, that if it is ok for Muslim children to vilify Jews, it is perfectly ok for a middle-aged Christian to vilify Muslims?

That seems to sum up your position rather neatly, I think.

But just for the record, I hold the person who waves such a sign in equal contempt.

I think you should do the same, and re-evaluate your own behaviour along the same lines.

I.e., "if I consider that what the Muslim child is doing is wrong, what does that say about my own whack-a-mozzie activities?"

But once again, Boaz, I expect that it is too painful for you to contemplate fully.

So off you go, "*click* on 'ignore'"

There, that feels better, doesn't it?

Jayb,

Against my better judgement I am going to reply to you.
Why against my better judgement? Because from your posts
you've obviously made up your mind about me, which is
unfortunate - had you bothered to read all of my posts,
you wouldn't have to ask me any further questions.

In this thread my aim was definitely not to take sides.
Or finger point. I had no hidden agenda. I raised a simple
question, should an independent investigation into war crimes
in Gaza proceed? It was quite a revelation to learn that by
asking such a simple question - to even dare to bring it up -
upset some people. In response I was accused of being against
Israel. I won't use the term 'anti-Semitic,' because Arabs
are Semites too.

I don't support bringing war crimes charges against Israel or
Hamas. I stand by what I said earlier,

"...war crimes in Gaza should be justly and fairly investigated
by an independent international body and their findings and
recommendations recorded." This does not limit the scope simply
to Israel as one poster suggested. Until all the facts are
available and determined by an independent body as to whether
a case for war crimes exists - assumptions should not be made,
one way or the other.

Certainly not by me.

Have a nice day.