Wobbles, JayB, Meredith.

Sadly in the Gaza there are no victors Just victims.
The victors aren't determining the outcome here it is the US who has and will continue to veto in defence of Israel. Russia, China for the Arabs. Its all about perceived international interest otherwise the issue would have been resolved years ago.

Nobody has clean hands in this human catastrophe including Australia (governments). We supported US for our own perceived interests i.e. maintaining primarily the US/Australian alliance and the Jewish lobby’s electoral power here.
No! No and no again I am neither biased ,anti- Semitic or anti-Palestine I am calling the reality who is right/wrong in this particular incursion is moot. The powers that be don’t want to open this can of vipers less they get bitten too (shown to have some culpability).

The reality is that Israel knows as does all the all those even peripherally involved that "total war" would mean unleashing a conflagration that would be of the order of Nostradamus’ arcane quatrains.

Better we play proxy wars until one side perceives that it is no longer in their interests to continue with this immoral abomination. Meanwhile each side pretends (spins) to be the peace makers meanwhile the pawns jockey for the moral(PR) highground. Don’t you just love the way we’ve evolve away from caveman instincts when one on one with clubs was the barberic solution?

Dear examinator,

Beautifully put.

Thank you.

And Thanks to ALL the voices of reason on this
thread.

You're the ones that make me want to continue
posting. Otherwise I would have been tempted
to leave ages ago.

Fair enough Foxy

There is another reason why a war crimes tribunal is a pipedream in the current Israel/Hamas situation.

To have an effective process, both sides have to cough up the fighters that have done the crimes. As mentioned earlier, Hamas do not fight under a national flag and Gaza/Palestine is not a nation state. Where is the military hierarchy or domestic structure by which their fighters can be found and brought to trial? The only way is for a foreign force to identify the whereabouts of the person concerned (they probably don't get cash out of the ATM or use credit cards under their own name and are therefore hard to find) and do an extraction. That might be hard to do without causing other problems. Also, I don't know how effectively Mossad can operate in Gaza.

On the Israeli side, they will use every trick in the book to keep their soldiers out of the international spotlight. When someone in The Hague puts out a summons for Captain X of the Israeli military, you can bet your bottom dollar that Israel will fight tooth and nail to keep him out of court. Israel's ultimate trump card is its alliance with the US and the power of veto it has at the UN.

So, there won't be a war crimes tribunal in an official sense as long as the US and Israel are so strong. Behind the scenes, who knows. It depends on the pressure that's brought to bear.

I disagree, I think Israel is under constant attack and as I have said somewhere else before, no world leader with any sense of decency will support terrorism, Hamas, you just can't do it.

That Israel are a more healthy country isn't a crime to their neighbors... that they are there isn't a crime, it actually their spiritual land and they were gifted it back after ww2... it is their Mabo.

It's unbelievably sad the Palestinians have voted Terrorism in, maybe either from ignorance or desperation or both.
Hezbollah(sp)on other end is also unacceptable, until these guy over come (with western help if needed) terrorist governments and bully malitias there can't be peace. It is like Israel says to the Pali's.... Hamas is your enemy not Israel.

I actually feel a bit ashamed sitting here in Australia posting to a blog about a war that is so fresh. It feels wankerish.

I know a lady with some grand kids in Isael, she doesn't really talk politics as we all have on this string, she talks terror, she is terrorized

Hi all, i'm new so be gentle with me.just looking at the gaza war crimes debate, good stuff but as a baby boomer I seem to have been taught a different history and I wonder how far back some of the forum members are able to go? 1967? 1948? 1920? 1445? Just interested as context to the current debate. Or is this getting off the current thread?

spindoc