PALE, do us all a favour PLEASE and GET OVER IT! It is just SO BORING. There are the real animal advocacy groups, there is the RSPCA (which profits from battery cage hens in NSW, supports intensive pig farming in SA, and, covertly, live exports in WA) - and there is PALE (the only one to actively promote mass slaughter for profit).

The real animal advocacy groups, I suggest, (sigh! yet again) do not want to profiteer from the slaughter of animals. I would not want to belong to any group that made money from such profiteering.

So they didn't like your HKM notion. For God's sake, MOVE ON. But before you do, do tell us how much HKM has contributed to the RSPCA and HSI, won't you?

No direct proof about Murdoch and Stokes and the livestock industries? Thought not. I might concede on Packer though. As for the AWB story, is was commonly reported in financial circles, so it was no great discovery, and it proved bugger-all to such an extent that no-one wanted to know about it. Pursuing Fielding is a similar lost cause, so why bother?

Hugh Wirth would have to have been the singular most divisive force in the animal welfare movement in decades, and would know absolutely nothing about organisations other than his own. Nor would he bother, his ego would get in the way. Before you say it, I'm sure that there were reasons for his being the spokesperson (and only the spokesperson) for HWC. But he doesn't like PALE either, does he, so why do you quote him when it suits your purpose?

Now we have yet another thread that has been totally corrupted by PALE's singular agenda, discrediting anyone and everyone, and even attributing my comments to poor Dickie, with the usual accusations.'

I'm over it! Sorry, Belly! We may not agree on much, but it was worth the discussion.

Nicky

Then it worked Nicky.
Yes I said about 60 posts ago I was leaving.
Well I did.
But like a lot I came back to read others thoughts, daily.
Walk with me for a while, lets talk about animal welfare.
Lets pretend each of us using this thread are a team, we have been given a project.
To make an add seeking support for a campaign to stop cruelty, for this campaign make it any issue you want.
We must not use this thread, would any one of us think we could convince others to come on board if we can not act better than this?
Now remember that add? the lie about a bloke leaving his jacket?
Would you buy that brand?
Some you know would, some never.
Some truths exist here animal cruelty exists, puppy farms are wrong, dumped Christmas presents are being killed, its wrong.
Why do animal welfare groups need to be so numerous?
Why is it needed to run rat bag things like sea kitten adds?
Why can we not talk animal welfare without war?
Why is yabbys insistence we keep closer to reality seen him slandered?
My aim was to highlight PETA are in my opinion fools, and to get better results in an animal welfare thread than Nicky's last one.
Now I will hide in the corner with yabby, reality is hiding behind us.

*Why do animal welfare groups need to be so numerous?*

Belly, because they are all squabbling amongst themselves
and these days with easy money to be made on the internet,
they can rattle their tins and some sucker from somewhere
will donate. The animal welfare threads on OLO show the
bitchiness that exists within the movement, amongst its
followers.

What you need to do is change the way you think about the
posts on here, for its a good laugh and provides some
perspective about the human mind. For me anyhow, its a
source of constant amusement :)

Just look at the hypocracy of some of the posters. They
contradict themselves constantly, for their life is
an exercise of feelgood irrationalism. But I doubt
that they even notice.

Now Dickie complains that the planet is being destroyed,
yet, she raised a whole tribe of kids, all who consume
resources. Thus her environmental footprint would
be huge, for now its not only kids, but grandkids.

Ok, so she is highly maternal, even a goat has to
be kept in the city. Never mind that the goat might
prefer other goats, it doesent get a choice.

Dickie insists on a stainless steel water tank,
insists on modern technology for herself and no doubt
for the huge number of ancestors that she is leaving
behind.

Fact is that if Dickie and her brood want stainless
steel sinks and stainless steel water tanks, computers,
tvs, cars etc, then there will be mining and the environment
will be affected.

How her maternal instincts have cost the Australian environment,
I doubt if she has ever thought about. That does not stop
her from preaching on OLO. Ah, the hypocracy!

"Now Dickie complains that the planet is being destroyed,
yet, she raised a whole tribe of kids, all who consume
resources. Thus her environmental footprint would
be huge, for now its not only kids, but grandkids."

Pretty sick isn't it Yabby when three posters (including you) have descended into an unconscionable realm of lies and defamatory attacks on an anonymous poster.

Not that it's your business, however, I have given birth to two children only. Is that what you describe as "a whole tribe?" Furthermore, I have raised other children because their mother abandoned them.

Due to your unmitigated ignorance, I advise that my stainless steel water tank is small, is many years old, does not rust or scale and there are no hydrocarbon gasses emitting from a hazardous, plastic lining since there isn't one! To the best of my knowledge, this tank will outlast me. Therefore my carbon footprint is small indeed.

Of course you are on your lonesome Yabby. What decent woman would want you? However your carbon footprint is massive.

Apart from trashing this country with cloven hooved animals; apart from the heinous cruelty you inflict on them; apart from poisoning and blinding animals for human consumption, you have trashed our soil, our waterways, our sea kittens, our health and our air with chemicals which have been banned in over 55 countries (including developing nations.) Here's the most recent examples:

http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/misc/endosulfan.htm

http://ntn.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=8&Itemid=62

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/general/twoheaded-fish-now-linked-to-cancer-cluster/1413366.aspx?storypage=2

"That does not stop
her from preaching on OLO. Ah, the hypocracy (sic)!"

Kitchen a little too hot for you Yabby? Why not go out and tend to your sheep's scabby mouths before returning to your lepers' colony?

After all, you intend flogging these sheep off to unwitting humans for their consumption.

Sheesh, I love this female logic :) Because some fish in
Queensland has two heads, I in Western Australia, whom you don't
know and have never met, must be responsible. Get your hand
off it Dickie.

Indeed, your environmental footbprint is large, for as you admit,
you raised a tribe of kids and grandkids, all who consume
resources. You yourself, insist on having a car, a computer,
no doubt a fridge, so are a customer of the mining industry,
to keep you and your brood supplied with the latest in resource
consuming toys.

I am simply pointing out your hipocracy. No doubt some of your
brood eat meat and fish, use consumer mined resources etc.

So its time to get off your high horse Dickie, pack that
irrationality away and learn some common sense.

I doubt that you have that ability, but at least I pointed it
out.

Yabby, your insulting behaviour towards someone you do not know would be just a fraction more effective (but not much), if you just learned to spell, and refrained from the smut. You are rude, untruthful and offensive.

Pseudointellectualism amongst the illiterate just is not a good look.

There is no 'bitchiness' within the animal advocacy movement beyond one group. Everyone else involved in a meaningful way works in complete harmony.

Nicky