Too many words, dickie. Not enough substance.

We can all pick examples that suit our views. It's called "generalizing from the particular", and carries no weight.

Here are your offerings:

>>Aborigines still come to town, followed by 5 or 6 dogs – untethered!<<

I have to say, if all domestic pets had the same freedom, I'd have far fewer concerns.

>>leash in hand, I wander with my dog who is also untethered.<<

And the leash is for... what?

>>Man may have a vintage Merc in his garage – an inanimate object. He feeds it, waters it, polishes it, caresses it, protects it from scratches and locks it away to discourage robbers of his own species.<<

I particularly liked this one. I tried to work out what percentage of the six billion folk on earth would fit this category. Not enough to form a quorum, I thought.

>>man does not have the agility to catch an animal. Nor does he have the teeth or the claws in which to rip the animal apart.<<

It has probably escaped your notice, but not all animals kill their own food. Quite a few wait until another animal does it for them. Not that I can see the relevance...

I can't be bothered to quote any more, it was all pretty much noise and bluster anyway.

But just for the record, tell me, what is your view of Paris Hilton's chihuahua?

More importantly, what do you imagine to be the chihuahua's view?

*PETA advise that a successful brief would see the end of animals systematically ..

PALE replies-

Do they. Gee that’s really informative. So its taken five years (or is it six) of nagging for these people to grasp Animal Welfare CAN be taken to the federal courts- or higher.

What a pity they rejected together with Animals Australia our request to assist with documents to brief the X Federal Crimes Commissioner- now a judge-so its too late!

Perci

Crikey, I doubt I could ‘ever’ humour you.


Regardless of your intentions , you have give argument for people to say all Animal Welfare people are extreme.

That only damages hard work done by people like RSPCA QLD and the Humane Society.

BTW there is NO SUCH THING as companion Animals! We are equal.

If you honestly believe people are superior to animals you must have been brain washed by some Christian Church IMOP.

So many times you have diverted threads – from discussions of inherently l cruelty to animals and what steps can be taken to start to make a difference to 'yourself'.

You chase any new posters off Animal Welfare as your attempting to do with Jonathon Byrd,. I for one apprecaite someone as busy as he giving his time to make concerned imput for animals.

I know others won’t take my advice – but by responding to you its working against animals and not for them.

*Banning ii) will not solve the problem.*

*Making both illegal will.*

My goodness Banning requires an act of Parliament which makes it illegal!

Tall order considering the UN approve selling puppies for food and support live exports SHAME ON THEM.

Hi Pericles

Just to enlighten you a little. The leash in my hand is in consideration of others. Should I spot someone in the distance (which is rare on my walks), I leash the dog to mitigate the fear in those who approach. It is common knowledge that humans have a fear of untethered beasts and rightly so.

As for the “eco-sphere – ego-sphere,” as anticipated, the message went completely over your head.

“It has probably escaped your notice, but not all animals kill their own food. Quite a few wait until another animal does it for them. Not that I can see the relevance...”

This is a strange statement indeed Pericles. Scavengers are very adept at ripping up the leftover prey of other animals since they have the anatomical equipment to perform such deeds. Are you suggesting that humans should be feasting on the carcass of a beast which has been slain by another animal? I reiterate: Humans are not anatomically built to catch or rip up a beast for consumption.

Nevertheless in regard to companion animals, it appears that you remain adamant that pets should be phased out due to enslavement.

Are you also recommending that human children should be phased out also? Many children are enslaved by their “owners” too where children are tethered to beds, locked in cellars, not permitted to mix with outsiders, kidnapped, beaten, raped and murdered etc etc. Is this part of your brief?

“I can't be bothered to quote any more, it was all pretty much noise and bluster anyway.”

I do believe your posts were "all pretty much noise and bluster" Pericles for out of my 700 word posts, you have addressed some 86 words. You are unwilling or unable to address the enviro/health/enslavement aspects of growing food animals. Clearly you do not recommend phasing out livestock. How very hypocritical of you.

I rest my case.

Cheerio

As nobody`s sticking to Seakittens – I`ll just post something fishy.

If people really want to help Animals we MUST address corruption and hypocrisy.
A perfect example of this would be the Christian Leader Senator Steve Feilding .
We attended Steve Fielding office with a Christian leader who had lived in ME.
He had witnessed first hand this barbaric cruelty of live animal exports from Australia... With us also was a RSPCA CEO.

We asked Senator Fielding to support a proposal to improve jobs and conditions in the bush together with Animal Welfare. =
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

(Zero interest)- He doesn’t even ‘ have’ an Animal Welfare policy- however ‘does support rodeos to err, entertain people.

In contrast Muslim Leaders lodged Submissions to Animal Welfare Senate Enquires. They spoke out. They offered assistance to phase the practise out.

For God's sake are there any people left in Australia who care about where this country is heading.

Without the support of Senator Steve Fielding the government wouldn't have got its new media laws through parliament intact. Those laws now threaten to see most Australian media controlled by a few families i.e. the Murdoch family, the Packer family, the Stokes family.= Live Animal Exporters.

Funny how they told our old farmers there was no money in livestock! The national party were the traitors of our farmers and country folk.

Representing the Pentecostal ‘Christian backed, Family First party, Fielding's role in this is a case study of the way Christians of all denominations in Australia are reducing the Creator God, the God of the Nations, to a private fetish. Media policy is just one example of Christians ignoring the social good as they turn inward to their private-only salvation.

And with Mark Scott, the ABC's new Managing Director, choosing to announce major changes to the ABC's editorial policies not to the public at large, nor even to ABC managers and journalists, but at a meeting of Gerard Henderson's right-wing lobby, The Sydney Institute, media policy should be a burning social justice issue for Christians.

TO BE CONTIUNED

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,

“You chase any new posters off Animal Welfare as your attempting to do with Jonathon Byrd,. I for one appreciate someone as busy as he giving his time to make concerned input for animals.”

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Be assured, I am not in the game of being chased off. I may not answer posts contrived in ignorance, written for the purposes of obfuscation or are self denouncing. In these cases, if I am too busy, a frequent occurrence, I sometimes leaves the readers to draw their own conclusions.

Justified silence can condemn more effectively in some instances than a thousand words.

Jonathon

*I reiterate: Humans are not anatomically built to catch or rip up a beast for consumption.*

Dickie dear, the problem is that you still don't understand basic
evolution theory, so remain confused.

Every creature needs to make a living somehow, to survive in this
world. Giraffes for instance evolved to have longer necks, it gave them an
advantage over other species with shorter necks. Humans evolved
with a slightly larger brain, that was their evolutionary niche.

As it turned out, forced to bipedalism due to changing climate
in East Africa, the prehuman vocal tract changed, so that they
could not only pronounce vowels sounds, like their relatives,
but consonants too. That led to much better communication, which
led to language. Combine that niche with a slightly larger brain
and you don't need muscles or speed, to make a living to survive.

Of course your pet is your slave, for you own it and you make the
rules. It is there purely for your amusement and to keep you
company, you pay the bills. In the days of slaverly, some slaves
were quite accepting of their lot and stayed, even without being
chained up. People, just like pets, can become conditioned to
their circumstances and accepting of them. That does not change
the fact that it is your slave and you could have it put down or
ditch it tomorrow, if you chose.

So philosophically Pericles is absolutaly correct.