Yabby,

My statement of existing conditions of, “Cropping is continuous already”, does not lend itself to mean your interpretation of, “Jonathon's suggestion, of constant cultivation and crop growing, is in the unsustainable category.”

I made no such suggestion.

This is a good example as to why responding to you is a waste of time.

I hope you have learnt from this topic that other thoughtful views are in conflict with your own prejudices.

You certainly have clearly demonstrated why the opinions of vested interest are not to be trusted. That is one positive outcome, none of us should forget.

Au revoir

Jonathon

Belly
I understood same. Considering I’ve apologised for continuing conversations outside this forum – you will have to use your imagination. Sorry.
I like prawns also. Up here you can buy them straight off the trawlers.

*kneecap Dickie?*

:)

Looks like I will have to talk to the bloke who installed the scrambler:)

Funny you mention selling cars- I have 3 for sale +a jet ski -all going cheap.

Under the circumstances we could toss in some flippers and goggles, so you can visit the sea kittens.

For an extra buck you can have the boat +trailer to take your PETA mates along with you.
I hear there is a hurricane coming along so there `s no time to waste.

You girls are not really the smartest at times.

I apologised for the disclosure ‘BUT’ if you’re calling me a liar- that’s completely different.

I’d Quit while I was ahead if I were you.




Jonathon Byrd
If you oppose Free Range for hoofed Animals you’re supporting intensive farming. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Unless of course your arguing vegetarians verses the rest of the world which is very noble but self indulgent.

What about the millions of Animals suffering in the ‘mean time’

Or don’t they count?

I will say to you what I have told the girls. Listen to Yabby because in the real world thats the type your up against. Instead of trying to convince people breeding live stock they are evil try to employ proper live stock people and put the live exporters out of biz.
You do this by coming up with viable alternatives and working with them- not against them
I see you have a big heart BUT that wont fix it.

Hi all,
I haven't had much time for OLO lately but thanks for that link to the Animal Party in Holland, Eft. I am able to read it because I come from there.

This is a political party in the opposition with *I think* 4 seats in the govt there.
It's the first animal party in the world.
They do a lot of great work and are very active and I think they are very balanced (for an animal party anyway, hehe).

I'd like to ask all animal lovers on this thread to say no to this barbaric tradition on the Faroe Islands by signing this petition (It's in English so people anywhere in the world can sign and help) this Dutch Animal Party on their mission to stop this cruel, senseless torture and slaughter of these beautiful animals.

http://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/content/view/409

Just a quick note on the actual topic, I still don't know what kind of argument is being used to NOT stop recreational fishing.
Fishing for food is one thing, but fishing for recreation should simply be banned. It's wasteful and cruel.

I'm against recreational fishing.

As some on this thread will know, I am also against the practice of depriving animals of their freedom for human recreational purposes, otherwise known as "keeping pets".

So I feel obliged to point out that petitioning against the slaughter of animals on the grounds that they are "beautiful animals" is just a little precious.

The difference between clubbing to death baby seals, and poisoning rats so that they can die a slow and painful death, is that only one of them is cute and cuddly. A decision based, I suggest, on some fairly wobbly ethics.

Maybe it simply is not possible to apply a consistent set of standards to animals, when the nice moo-cows have such big brown eyes (aaaaah...), but the horrid ratty creatures have nasty faces (kill, kill!)

A facet of human nature that has forever puzzled me.

Celivia, thank you for that link, and consider it done. I had heard of the Dutch party members, and how great they are.

Jonathan, please do not abandon this, because you have provided us with information I didn't know, Don't let the arrogant and ignorant drive you away.

PALE, what have you been drinking/smoking? Belly has clearly expressed his antipathy for PETA, so your comment to him is fatuous (as usual) in the extreme. And the fact that you have three cars and a jet ski for sale is (again, as usual) of total and sublime irrelevance. Nor did I see any suggestion by anyone to "kneecap Dickie". Please don't try to pretend you are smarter than the average ratbag (apologies to rats), you are clearly not. Your comment that if Jonathan disapproves of farming cloven hooved animals then he favours intensive farming - for God's sake, what is the matter with you? Do try for a little basic comprehension. And "quit while we are ahead"? Who? And why on earth should we/they?

No-one on these threads with any interest at all in the welfare of animals is ever going to take Yabby seriously, only the terminally stupid would do so. That, by your own admission, means you. You have corrupted yet another thread for your own insular, petty agenda.

Nicky

“Dickie, I have answered your salinity question before, but of course
you ignored it. It is not agriculture that is causing salinity,
but overclearing of land in the wrong places. If you check your
history and facts, then you will learn that farmers were forced to
clear all land as part of their COP blocks.”

Yes Yabby, we have debated salinity before and I have not ignored it. Since you persist in giving half an answer, I must give you the other half.

Commercial crops, including the vast amount of crops grown as feed for livestock do not absorb water like native vegetation. As a result much of the surplus water goes into the groundwater. The groundwater rises and the water table brings the salt to the surface thus increasing salinity.

“The answer is of course, since that salt comes from the ocean
by rainfall over time, it should go back to the ocean.”

Are you speaking geological time Yabby – thousands perhaps millions of years? If your theory was correct in the short term, our soil would not be in such a dire condition – the worst salinity this country has ever known.

Salinity is so bad that there has been a strange suggestion to dump tonnes of this saline soil in the town of Kalgoorlie thus moving the problem from one place to another. The growing of crops just to feed food animals can never be justified. There are some 110 million sheep and cattle alone - a reduced number to previous years. What is grown for pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. I have no idea.

Thank you eftfnc and Celivia for the link. It’s a shocker isn’t it? I too provide a link (all in English) for your perusal:

http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/gruesome-whale-and-dolphin-bloodletting-massacre-in-europe/offbeat-news

Interesting information Nicky. One must wonder just how many mutated food animals we are actually eating. I suspect the toxins in their feed would play a large part too in deforming these pitiful critters (and potentially, human foetuses!)