Hi Johnathon,

Sorry man! No, what I am saying if the that if dog meat becomes an industry, that dogs too will become livestock and loose any extra (over sheep cattle etc) rights they may have.

Here in NSW for example it recently became illegal to consume dog meat... Thankfully.

With native animals since the roo/possum meat and products (specially with the Greenie push), I notice native animals are seen less romantically too, as they are all of a sudden now more a live stock product.

Also,

Meredith,

Gotcha. :)

“With native animals since the roo/possum meat and products (specially with the Greenie push), I notice native animals are seen less romantically too, as they are all of a sudden now more a live stock product.”

I think that is correct in some quarters of society but there is a growing opposition to the exploitation of native animals. And with a very sound basis in reasoning, from my understanding.

Good People,

The inauguration of Barack Obama as president of the USA tonight is a moment in history I do not want to miss. Must go to bed and be up early for it.

This thread has been interesting but I think, for my part it has run its course. If anything, it demonstrated that cordiality was nearly achieved on a subject prone to excite passions on both sides.

Jonathon

Belly

are National Farmers Federation Union members ?

Jonathon

*I am not supporting one or the other. ....*

We should support the least cruel practises for 'all' life, including fish.

It’s a wonder the Government hasn’t engaged CSIRO to invent a stun gun for domestic use for recreational fishing. (Think of the endless funding possibilities especially licensed them.)

Regarding the removal of stock from grazing- I can assure you that had 'nothing' to do with the environment - unless you are talking and the political environment + Parks and wild life... Roos Corruption and mafia connections and control of Governments.


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Because someone pays a so called professor to write an article claiming live stock are destroying the bush." Mostly it’s done by someone who’s never lived in the bush.

Reports from Uni who’s funding is often from that very industry =

Pedler, Primaries of WA, and Landmark state livestock and wool manager Chris. Medcalf caught up after the launch ... Murdoch University Dean of Veterinary and Biomedical ... Murdoch University to fund a senior lecturer in leadership in ..

*This is what hoofed Animals Do Jonathon*

They control the weeds which BTW are clogging our rivers now out of control and they are a natural fire protection

“Without them” the wildlife won’t survive- 'not the other way around.'

This is why I said in today’s world we at least require free range stock not intensive farming. Apart from anything else the wild life suffers by removal of stock to keep the fires to a contolerable level.

Even if they stuffed the padocks we cant keep animals locked up in areas where they cant turn.

Some dream of No animals being bred for meat. Thats a PIPE dream I am afraid. Halal alone is a 3 trillion $ Industry and growing.

The industry are curropt and inhumane so we must take over the industry to at least slaughter here humanly and breed free range.

As I leave the thread I want to thank every one, yep every one who posted here.
We did not do too bad, we got a little bit hot under the collar, we always do in talking about this subject.
I note your question Pale, about farmers federation and unions.
Your idea that you do not post every thing as PALE seems a good one.
I do not post every thing as a unionist, surely it is clear from my posts history I take a separate view on many subjects?
And I have not ever claimed unions should be involved in every thing.
Some times yes, views on things that will involve workers welfare, jobs, health, safety, lifestyle, but the farmers federation?
They are an unlikely partner for the union movement, fighting against wage justice for those who make them rich , always.
My breakfast was not Sea Kittens yesterday, farmed Trout Dam Kitty's?
Again thanks, Yabby? ok fair enough keep on keeping on

Ok, Jonathon Byrd, so how would you describe it?

>>Maybe the word ‘hypocritical’ is too harsh. To be hypocritical there needs to be knowledge of holding two opposing opinions.<<

On the one hand, killing (some) animals is bad, while on the other hand, killing (some) animals is OK.

On the one hand, depriving innocent people of their liberty is inhumane, on the other hand depriving innocent animals of their liberty is perfectly fine.

Is it possible to be unaware that one is holding these two positions simultaneously?

Is it likely that an intelligent person is ignorant of the double standards involved?

If you are uncomfortable with the word hypocrisy, please feel free to provide a realistic alternative.

Meredith,
Noticed in your last post that you said that dog meat comsumption was 'recently'made illegal in NSW.

This interested me as a couple of years ago I saw a small media article about dog meat now illegal in SA and I made efforts to ascertain the situation here in NSW. I approached the Health section of my local council and then wrote to NSW Health without getting a reply. I thought it a pretty straight forward question actually, but maybe it was legal until more recent legislation?

Could you post any info about this. Where I could confirm it and/or a link to the legislation. I keep up with most major papers daily but it may not have made it to press if other news overshadowed it and it was supported by both major parties.

Many thanks.