Philo it truly is time you woke up to your self.
You posted that in another thread it is meaningless dribble.
I have every right, to believe there is and never was a God.
Do you understand that?
I refuse to believe your maker ever existed, or that he made followers of every other religion so you could convert them.
Even Polycarp, I do not doubt his zeal or understanding of his myth, speaks of celebrating Christs birth today.
Yet sure he and you know this is not the time of that birth?
It is a many century's older pagan ritual at this time of the year we still celebrate calling it Christmas.
Now I know you have a right to your beliefs, never challenge it in my life, its a basic freedom of the western world, freedom of religion.
Do you not come close to denying me my right not to believe in such a fantasy in your every post?
So very many who post in a Gods name here seem to fail to understand my freedoms are just as important as theirs, reality is screaming at me for not grasping your straw is wasting your time.

Dear Belly....
I noted carefully those points you made regarding your former (bad) experience in a particular denomination. Yes..some of those things are quite characteristic of that denomination or group. So.. what I'm wondering is why you didn't simply compare these acts to the content of the Bible.. to the teaching of our Lord?
It seems you said "Bad Christians in my denomination=Christianity/Christ=bad =not to be believed any more"

Lies. I did not lie...you have been sucked in by Morgans mouthing off.
Pastor Greene WAS 'sentenced' to jail... he did not serve as the SENTENCE was appealed and overturned by a DIFFERENT (higher) court. Read it for yourself.

<< The case was first heard in Lower Court (“Tingsrätt”) in Kalmar and on June 29, 2004 he was sentenced to serve one month in jail.

After first appealing the verdict to the Appellate Court, the case finally made its way to the Swedish Supreme Court where it was heard on November 9, 2005. When the Supreme Court verdict fell on November 29, 2005 Pastor Green was acquitted of all charges against him.>>

He was acquitted by a different court than the one which did 'sentence' him to Jail.

BUSHBASHER... yes.. I also condemn HS 'Acts' because it gives me the heeby jeebies that anyone could find completeness and fulfilment in such an obviously terminal way of expressing sexuality. By 'terminal' I mean that there is absolutely ZERO possibility of human reproduction via that practice (in itself) so when one considers that the release of semen is basis of human reproduction, the practice must logically and reasonably be considered 'abnormal/un-natural/deviant'

The issue which distinguishes 'homo' sexual from heterosexual is just one ... 'sex'. If the issue is loving and being loved by another human being.. this can be achieved heterosexually. If a person is drawn, sexually, for whatever reason toward another species, his parents, his children or his own gender, they are all 'deviant' and no amount of whining about 'identity' will change that, or the need to use the 'will' to avoid it.

bushbasher,
The act of anal sex has given humanity most of the dire sexually transmitted diseases eg AIDS. The anus was not designed to accomodate the thrusting male penis and results in frequent rupture that allows excreated viruses from the body to enter the blood stream. Even in the act of anal sex followed by vaginal sex places the female to high levels of rupture, transmitted disease and infection. The anus is designed specifically to excreate waste from the body. The vagina is designed specifically for intercourse and reproduction of our species.

Because men choose to abuse their designed purpose is the reason God also condemns the act.

Porkycrap: << Lies. I did not lie... >>

I'm beginning to think that Porky's mendacity is truly pathological. Several posters have pointed out exactly how it is that his telling of a half-truth in this instance constitutes a lie, i.e. that his deliberate omission of the very salient fact (that the homophobe's custodial sentence was quashed on appeal by reference to international human rights standards) gives exactly the opposite impression to readers of the real out come of the case.

One wonders if Porky's aware that in legal matters those who give evidence are required to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? If so, how can he claim with a straight face to be telling the truth here?

Even after most other participants in this discussion have pointed out his dishonesty to him, he still continues to prevaricate. Note that he refuses to acknowledge the critical role of the European Court of Human Rights in the outcome of the case.

More reflection is needed by our Porky. As others have said, if your argument is sound, why do you need to lie? As you know you did.

Finally, Porky is joined by a fellow homophobic fundamentalist in attempting to justify why their religious beliefs about homosexual acts should prevail over the rights of gay people to express their sexuality. To pronounce that human bodies were "designed" by anyone or anything is simply an assertion of religious belief, as is the claim that sex is principally for reproduction.

Sex is about pleasure - reproduction is a mostly unwanted side-effect experienced by heterosexuals after the event.

poly-boaz, do you also regard oral sex between heterosexuals as 'abnormal/un-natural/deviant'?

Polycarp where do I start.
On the table out front now some from every religion are good people, some are our best.
Far too many are much less than that, child sexual assaults, in Catholic Church's and the church of my birth C of E have been huge and truly evil.
Cults grown from Christianity, so many of them, are not products of Any God.
I know if such a God exists, he/she would be ashamed of deeds done by Church's.
I refuse, totally, to ever believe half of humanity is blind, that they can only be saved by following another God.
Sex, come David it is a wonderful thing, our instinct to breed drives us.
As it does all living things, how can God get into bed with us? why?
Aussies of my age mostly do not feel the need condemn homosexuals, I do not go out of my way to find them, but am not against them.
Mate if, just for a second, you think I may be right, that the human minds that wrote the works of Shakespeare's could write the Bible.
That man wrote so many great books like war and peace and no one questioned it was man who did it.
Look for a second at the writings of Charles Darwin, tell me no chance exists I may be right.
Poly, fibs bite you on the bottom every time,
You will not doubt this story but some union officials lie,
Tell a porky to get the crowd on side, it never works for long
regards