I bet Pauly thinks he just "wiped the floor" with me. I suspect he's one of those sad little tools who really wanted to be a cop or a soldier, but was rejected on medical grounds. So now he's an armchair general and expert on policing methods, by virtue of various movies and role-playing games.

Clearly, the appalling record of the Victoria Police with respect to killing people will form part of the Coroner's investigation, as it should - and will be relevant as to whether s/he recommends charges being laid against those who took part in the killing.

As for Pauly's repeated efforts to defame me as a "pervert" - like most reasonable people and the relevant authorities, I thought that the Henson case was a total media beat-up that fed off the prudish moral panic to which he subscribes.

Grow up Paul. Nobody's fooled by your affectations of bravery and morality. Stick with the role-playing games - no doubt you have many 'victories' in those.

Hey guys, do you think we could lower the testosterone here a little? Accusatory statements will not get to the bottom of the issue here. CJ, do you by any chance have any statistics about police shootings? I ask only because I have have never seen any state-by-state comparisons. It would be interesting to note those in the context of the training provided to police officers, also on a state-by-state basis, in dealing with critical incidents.

Having said that, can you be trained to deal with a panic situation? I don't know. I'm just canvassing opinions.

Happy New Year, everyone,
Cheers
Nicky

Col Rouge,
I am sorry you lost your friend in that way and the family will never have justice.
Having the X super Intendant Ron Borrenetti (better know as the barren) of Boggo Road Prison living in my home for many years you certainly learn a lot about our justice system.

Regarding the question has cops in the past got away with murder - Sure they have.
We spent years chasing around missing persons and investigated murders.
In one case a Federal Police officer’s sister was murdered and she was last seen in the company of four detectives.

That led us to another 26 murders that all had but one curious connection.

Some knew each other but not all. However what they all had in common was they had either supplied a statement involving major crime to high ranking police or were about to.

I would like to think things are better at the top now but have no knowledge.
What I do know however is the average uniform cop lays his life (Or hers) on the line each day.

They are sworn at and abused with little thanks from the public for upholding our laws.

I think it’s very unfair to judge what happened as we were not there.

Pls remember these poor little darling 15 year ols are doing B+E mostly as daily way of paying for their drugs.

Gossip can cause irreparable damage. It’s really important that our uniform guys know they have public support. This is the only way later on in life for them to be able to stand up to corruption within the force itself sometimes at higher ranks.’

I think the real crime here is, its very possible, had gooders not have taken the softly approach on drug pushers in the first place- that young boy might never have been running around threatening to kill our police officers off his face.

CJ Moron,

As much as I think Dagget is an idiot, at least it can be said of him that he gets in there and has a go. Your contribution to OLO consists mainly of whining, whinging and sniping at people. Actually discussing the topic at hand is clearly beyond you.

You can bet all you like about what you think I think. Besides being an ultimately pointless exercise you quite plainly aren’t very good at it.

You say >> “I suspect he's one of those sad little tools who really wanted to be a cop or a soldier, but was rejected on medical grounds. So now he's an armchair general and expert on policing methods, by virtue of various movies and role-playing games.”

Most of my close family is in the military which is why I have a rudimentary understanding of the subject. I was never interested in being a policeman, fireman or soldier. I always wanted to earn a stack of money using my brain for a living, which is what I’m doing. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant.

What we KNOW about you is that you think its ART to view pictures of other people’s naked children. Yet you think smacking children is abuse. We know that you are the person whose picture we might expect to see in the dictionary under Politically Correct numpty.

You say >> “Clearly, the appalling record of the Victoria Police with respect to killing people will form part of the Coroner's investigation, as it should”

It may well do, I certainly never denied it.

You say >> “and will be relevant as to whether s/he recommends charges being laid against those who took part in the killing.”

No it won’t. It’s typical CJ Moron behaviour that you would state this without bothering to find precedent, or even provide an argument. I suppose it doesn’t fit in with your goals on OLO which is to stand on the sidelines and snipe at people. You are a gutless w@nker.

So keep woofing little dog. Its all your good for.

Pauly - I am trying to discuss the topic at hand, which is the recent killing by the Victoria Police of a 15 year-old kid, in what appears to be yet another example of the use of excessive force by that corrupt and sorry organisation. I have said that Victoria Police's appalling record with respect to killing people is relevant to the forthcoming Coroner's Inquest into the matter and is likely to be one of the factors that s/he considers when deciding whether or not the officers who did the shooting have cases to answer.

In your usual bombastic, aggressive and offensive way, you've sought to disguise your error regarding the rules of evidence at a coronial inquest with a barrage of puerile insults - which I've deflected by making fun of you, silly chap. However, as usual, your tone is becoming more shrill and strident by the post.

I'm not at all surprised you're an army brat. All the signs are there: the ultra-conservatism, the propensity to violence, the adulation of all men in uniform, the administration of corporal punishment to your unfortunate kids, the philistinism, the shouting.

While I'm pleased for you that you make lots of money, it clearly doesn't make you happy. Indeed, you come across as a very angry and sad little chappy. I hope that life improves for you in 2009.

Moron,

I had a good old laugh when I read the introduction to your piece. You said >> “I am trying to discuss the topic at hand .. “

Well I suppose there is a first for everything. If you stuck to the topic at hand and actually had something useful to add, rather than just your weak insults, you might find other people would engage you on an adult level.

You say >> “you've sought to disguise your error regarding the rules of evidence at a coronial inquest with a barrage of puerile insults”

Is that really the best you can do? You can’t actually win an argument, you simply claim it and hope no-one notices.

Show me where I made an error regarding the rules of coronial inquiries? In fact it was you who made the error by confusing my statement about the guilt or innocence of the police with coronial rules of evidence.

I have already repeated what I said exactly. I will do so again because I know you have grave difficulty with comprehension.

What I said was “The relevance of the history of police shootings in Victoria, to the question of guilt or innocence of the four police involved in the shooting of the 15yr old boy, is non existent.”

Since as I also said recently, and you so rightly pointed out, the coronial inquiry does not determine guilt or innocence, it is supremely irrelevant what evidence regarding police history the coronial inquest will admit.

That you simply cannot comprehend how, as a fundamental matter of JUSTICE, the actions of OTHERS cannot be used as evidence to determine a person’s guilt or innocence, does not surprise me. Your education being as limited as it clearly is

You say >> “I have said that Victoria Police's appalling record with respect to killing people is … likely to be one of the factors that s/he considers when deciding whether or not the officers who did the shooting have cases to answer.”

TBC