CONT,

Yes well we know you’ve said it. What we haven’t seen is any argument as to WHY the actions of OTHER people should determine whether these four police have a case to answer. I’ve already called you out on this point in my previous post and it seems you are entirely unable to mount a case as to WHY. Nor have you resorted to precedent to show where it has been done in the past.

In any case, my original statement that you took issue with regarded the GUILT or INNOCENCE of these police. A question which is NOT answered in a coronial inquest.

Frankly I also laughed my ass off when I read this >> “In your usual bombastic, aggressive and offensive way … as usual, your tone is becoming more shrill and strident ...”

Coming from someone who rarely posts anything other than personal attacks and abuse, I thought this was outrageously IRONIC. We all know who regularly pens 50 word posts to attack people and not their argument, don’t we? CJ Moron.

You say >> ” the ultra-conservatism, .. the adulation of all men in uniform, ... corporal punishment ... the shouting.”

Ultra conservative? Sorry but to you loony-lefters the Rudd Gov’t are facists so I won’t take that to heart. I certainly am proud of our men and women in the armed forces and the job they do under difficult circumstances.

I am surprised that as a regurgitator of Politically Correct views, you aren’t in one of the social services teaching basket weaving. The desire to see other peoples naked children, the MORAL PANIC at the thought of a child being smacked, even though you must certainly be old enough to remember corporal punishment at school. (you probably avoided it though being a gutless kissass who said whatever others wanted you to say), then there’s the ingrained but apparently acceptable racism of hating America and Americans and the shrill cries of Islamophobia anytime Muslims are mentioned.

I love the shouting bit, by the way. A bit sensitive are we petal?

Keep barking little dog.

Col, I missed your response to my post about the AIFP - sorry! No, I don't think I protest too much, having seen lots of custodial staff in action, bullying and even seriously abusing inmates often for no good reason - for example, I had one student who was undertaking a university degree. He had a laptop issued by the prison with all his university work for the year on it.

There was an incident, from which he was far removed, and his laptop was confiscated, and the entire content wiped. That is rehabilitation?

Nor do I think the fact that state governments are involved in a conspiracy in the use of the AIFP testing - I think the Director of the AIFP is a good snake oil salesman who has managed to suck them in. And it has no doubt made him a rich man. However, using the validity criteria of attrition, of 11 aspiring probation officers who were successful in the testing, 7 had quit within months and two were on extended sick leave (stress). And that's not even working in a prison, it's working in offices in the city. I didn't have to do the test to work in prisons.

But back to the topic at hand - I'd still be interested to see any state-by-state statistics relating to fatal shootings, and critical incident training if anyone can provide links.

Nicky

paul.l,

Fair go Paul, What's with the anger and name calling....

Anger and fear are what we want to chip away at .

I hope all of the OLO contributors have a Happy 2009 .

Sounds like Pauly's had a bit too much New Year's cheer at today's barbie. Settle down, old chap.

True to form, you've escalated the name-calling instead of responding reasonably to my last comment. The next stage is an interminable textual mutual masturbation session - but I'm not going to play.

I actually meant it when I said you come across as angry and sad, and that I hope that things improve for you in 2009. You're much too young to be so bitter and twisted.

Happy New Year, Paul.

Krtiya Jim,

If this acrimony with the Moron seems like it has come out the blue then you should realise that CJ's been sniping at people ever since I came to OLO 2 years ago. I specifically told him I would be prepared to discuss the subject but that I would not wear his abuse lying down. He tested me and has had to back away like the girly swat he is. Did you not notice his name calling and abuse? Or is it OK for him?

Ask Dagget, ask PolyCarp, ask Col Rouge and a dozen others who have rarely been engaged in argument by the Moron, merely sniped at, abused or ridiculed. I find that type of behaviour gutless and extremely distasteful, not to mention innapropriate on a discussion site such as this.

If you know all this and are still wondering, well I can't help you.

I had a lovely new year, thank you all for asking. I'm quite prepared to discuss the subject devoid of all the abuse. Since CJ's contribution to OLO consist almost entirely of standing on the sidelines abusing people I'm not sure whether he can do the same. Lets hope so