Paul.L,

Thanks for the link. It looks to be pretty much as you described.

Col your rudeness anger, and extremism in some posts says more about you than me.
My generation does get involved in so much, nothing strange about me helping that cop, would you have stood by?
my radio life sees me volunteering for much community work, for my benefit, its more pleasant to give than receive.
I do read my posts again and am my own worst critic, do you ever bother?
I do not think you do, or that you would understand why I find it so hard to understand this kids death.
Are you sure you find nothing wrong with it?
Are you just a bit sad because it took place?
Any concern why 42 police deaths in Victoria is twice the number of NSW for that same time?
Do you understand Col those numbers, if you take NSW out probably mean Victoria's police deaths are greater than the rest of Australia put together?
Col do not let the verbal tennis we play here convince you you know me, or anyone, you see no body language here.
Radio, print, you can not judge by them, yes you can tell what type I am but if it meant my death I would try to stop ANYONE being unfairly hurt, would you not do the same?
Col a chance exists, I do not know the figures, that even with the NSW numbers in Victoria in the years from 1987 may have more police deaths than the rest of Australia, it must be very close.till think its ok?

The best idea I've heard in relation to solving this problem was in the Canberra Times Letters pages from memory.

The idea was to develop a device that fires a thin, knife-resistant but pliant mesh that effectively wraps up the aggressor. It could be deployed early in any standoff situation thus lessening the chance of a cop being manoeuvred into a corner etc. It would obviously do no permanent damage to the aggressor either.

It could be standard issue on all police patrol cars.

The use of such a tool would be a good outcome for people who let their anger get out of control in erratic but short bursts (esp when drunk) and for domestic violence cases. It would also be good for cops as it would give them a safe option that doesn't lead to future psychological problems for them.

Paul.L,

10 shots, 3 shooters. That equals 3 volleys from 3 concurrently-fired pistols, plus one more shot. Despite the apparent seriousness of the situation, that's still way too much in my view.

If 10 shots had been fired as quickly as you say at the legs, some would have missed, but some would also have scored a hit. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done much moving after that.

Belly when you make such precious comments as

“do read my posts again and am my own worst critic, do you ever bother?
I do not think you do, or that you would understand why I find it so hard to understand this kids death.”

And

“Col do not let the verbal tennis we play here convince you you know me, or anyone, you see no body language here.”

No wonder you think “your rudeness anger, and extremism in some posts says more about you than me.”

That you consider me “rude” is not a concern of mine, I do not post as part of a popularity contest but to express my own views and values, regardless of yours.

That you delude yourself to my countenance (which is ‘cheerful’ rather than angry) and then have the arrogance to complain about them here does, infact, reflect on you.

I have already addressed what your interpretation/definition of ‘extremism ‘ in another post on another thread,

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2395&page=0#52927

I suggest you read it.

Anyway, whatever my posts say about me is for each individual to read and decide for themselves and not for you to pretend to act has house-matron over.

I suggest you get over yourself and in the mean time

Have a nice Xmas.

RobP

you say >> "10 shots, 3 shooters... that's still way too much in my view."

In your view? Its all very well to be the armchair general, pointing out what could have been done, in the comfort of your home with the lack of light, tension, violence, uncertainty, danger and pain removed from the equation. Tell me, what qualifications do you have that allow you to KNOW that they didn't need 3 shots?

you say >> "If 10 shots had been fired ... at the legs ... I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done much moving after that."

1) How do you know that a bullet strike to the leg would stop the kid before he put one of his kitchen knives through the carotid artery of a policeman?

2) How do you know they would have hit his leg before he got within stabbing range of the cornered policeman.

This may or may not apply to you RobP. But the whole notion of personal responsibility seems to have been thrown out the window by MANY people who call themselves "progressive"

This kid calculatedly committed suicide by cop, and there are people on this thread who want to blame the police for this. For these people it is always someonelse's responsibility, not the offender.

You say, deploy a spiderman mesh to wrap up the victims. Seriously? Its very easy for you to stand on the sidelines and suggest police go into situations in which their lives are at stake wielding weapons which may, or may not, work.

This kid asked for and got what he wanted. Blaming the police is simply an unpleasant blame-shifting exercise by people who can't cope with the fact that actions have consequences and that people are responsible for their actions.

I notice you didn't answer my questions as to how far away from the cornered policeman was from the boy. Or how long the 10 shots took. Do you know how long they tried to contain the boy before it got to the point where a policeman was in imminent and mortal danger?