Foxy,
You have as usual encapsulated the issue clearly…you clever little thing you. It is nice to have someone confirm one’s thinking thank you. Even if you are a little too kind on me.

The other intention of this post was to illustrate that new age thinking if taken too seriously as it often is (especially by the vulnerable looking for solace) can have a dark side and how the ensuing conundrum can end badly if we assume too much.
It is one thing to offer an opinion or even discuss it but another thing entirely to attempt to subjugate someone else’s opinions. To do so persistently crosses the line between a discussion and being insulting/offensive and that never ends well.

Something you my fair lady and most of the posters on this site are never likely to do.

It is a pity though that many males tend to see discussions as either in combative or competitive frame rather than an exchange which can be frivolous and/or D&M. As one male poster said aren’t we all trying to convert others (to our way of thinking). In short No! and why? Now I’m way off topic.

Another aim was to show Celvia & Bronwyn that I was there to meet girls and beyond that it was very rarely manipulative if a titch chaotic and mischievous at times.. Good for a giggle.

examinator sorry about your girl, MS is so very hard.
Like you I am so glad Foxy posts here enough said.
Back from my Sunday haunting of markets,its nearly better than polycarps jym.
Quick sprint past the new age stalls, ducking the sprooker telling me and the world we are bound for hell, ducked into the coastal tee trees to get around that.
Bought a concrete swaggy and his dog, have two now on my gate.
A few herbs, sh don't tell any one, home grown tomato's, and a smile.
Two markets and all that stretching and ducking in one day.
PS
Polycarp you did not visit a market on the mid north coast of NSW today?
Well sounded like you regards.

ONE UNDER GOD
Yes she does still have MS but she believes her unblocking of her "psychological blocks" what ever they are(more misused Psycho babble)have cured her. But you're right we don't own our children we get to borrow them for a while ;-)

BELLY
I look at it this way she's happier in her 'delusion' so leave it alone.
The issue is a concern but one I deal with, at times through gritted teeth though. Like the old saying you can take the boy out of the angst but never the angst out of the boy. Thoughts of biffing a con man came and went. :-|

BTW Her MS is old news an on going issue since she was 16. As she got older she went through the religious bit then took up the new age stuff with progressing enthusiasm to the current stage.

Human nature strikes again. Funny how our basic natures haven't advanced much since we our trogldytic times unlike our technology.

Thanks for your kind thoughts

Dear Examinator and Belly,

Thank you both for your kind words.

I am so grateful for OLO - because it has
enabled me to meet people like yourself.

I have had my "dark" moments as Belly knows,
and the advice and friendship that was provided
to me during those difficult times helped me to
cope.

Celivia and Bronwyn are both terrific posters,
and great ladies.

Once again, I wish you well with your daughter.

Be kind to yourself,

Poly,
Christian feng shui sounds like a fun idea- there might be a market for it :)
What area would you place Jesus in- that’s the question. There’s the fame area, the health area, the relationships area and so on. Perhaps he should be moved around, as he seems to belong everywhere.
Probably not good feng shui to keep him nailed to a cross though; perhaps a happy, smiling Jesus would create better energy all around.
Next, unclutter the church- e.g. get rid of old, stuffy books.
Need a co-author? :)

Examinator,
I have no doubt you were into the astrology thing etc for a bit of a laugh and to meet the girls. No harm in that!
I feel for your daughter and the people close to her like yourself.
I agree with Foxy that if you can’t personally motivate your daughter to seek proper medical advice, perhaps someone else could talk to her.
I understand what you say about crossing the line though.

If you google this title, you’ll find a very informative 14-page PDF brochure, titled “Clear Thinking about Alternative Therapies” by the National MS Society (USA.
Perhaps your daughter would be interested in reading it?

Quacks and frauds make me angry.
To feed on vulnerable people they must be the lowest scum on earth and should be jailed.

Having said that, I believe that many alternative therapists have the best intentions.
But unfortunately, good intentions don’t magically turn quackery or even promising hypotheses into proper therapies.
And we have to admit that even science doesn’t always gets it right.

From the brochure:
Suspect fraud if:

* Promoters suggest an alternative treatment is a “cure” for MS. The grander the claim, the more alarming this signal is.

* You must pay in advance.

* The treatment is available from only one source or works by a “secret” formula.

* A practitioner does not want to work with your medical doctor.

* The promoters claim there is a medical or scientific conspiracy against them.

* Advertising uses testimonials from “satisfied customers.”

Take care!

Celivia you ask a number of questions which I am only to pleased to answer

No I have not belonged to the same denomination all my life. I grew up being taught that the Roman Catholic church was the 'one true church'. When I came to personal faith in Christ and read the Scriptures I realized that I had been taught unbiblical nonsense. No person will be saved by belonging to a denomination. They will be saved by faith in Jesus Christ. There are many who are sincerely trying to preach the Word of God as it was written. Jesus Himself will sort the wheat from the weeds. Personally I share fellowship with people from the Baptist, Church of Christ, Pentecostal, Anglican, Uniting Church and the list goes on. The denomination to me is not that important but the teaching is.

I would say say that I have not explored other beliefs but have been pretty good at picking frauds. I lived as a heathen (like most catholics) from my teenage years until coming to Christ in my early twenties. I was blind enough to believe the secularist at that stage. Study the real bank notes in order to pick fraud. All beliefs based on evolutionary teaching end up being fraudulent. This has happened time and time again. New age is mostly Eastern Mysticism. Any person with a tiny bit of discernment knows that when man becomes the centre of attention you can be sure you are on the wrong track. The answers are not within mankind. Within mankind is greed, lust, lying. Jesus was either telling the truth or lying when He said He was the only way to God. Twisters of Scripture try to weasle out of Jesus plain statements.

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