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Any evidence that the Bible Genesis account isnt the truth?

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I'n not a strong believer in the 6 days of creation idea as 6 literal days, although I will acknowledge as a Christian that it could be true.
The problem I have with accepting that the 6 days of creation as 24 hour days, is that God did not create the Sun until the 4th day, so we don't know what was used to measure the first 4 days of creation.
Even many fundementalist preachers (including the now disgraced Jimmy Swaggart) have questioned the literal 6 days of creation.
The importance of the Bible account of creation (and other historical events)to me is not whether or not they really happened, but the message which it contains.
Evolution has its problems as well. Evolution implies that the changes took place gradually over a very long period of time, but we have very little evidence of the missing links. Variations within a species (different races of human beings, different breeds of cats and dogs) are the result of selective breeding rather than evolution, and can take place within only a few generations. Generally any offspring of two different but similar species is infertile. (eg, Mules - Horses & Donkeys, Liger - Lion & Tiger, Wolphin - Whale & Dolphin).

Many people (including the Christian motivational speaker Zig Ziglar) claim Charles Darwin renounced his theory of evolution on his death bed, but other sources dispute this. I would like to think he did, but can't be sure.
Posted by Steel Mann, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 9:41:13 AM
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Gido, "...The christians have the Holy Spirit as their guide. he confirms the truth. We dont have to go any scientific process ways because we get the truth from Gods Spirit..."

Well, you may believe that you know god's truth, tell me where does god's spirit reside - in your head? If you want to prove that your god exists, then you really do need to provide evidence, otherwise you just have a faith.

I read Darwin's biography. I thought that he started off as a creationist, but as he researched he was forced to turn away from the word of the bible (something that was quite conflicting for him), but his own evidence was too profound.

People have EXPERIENCED being abducted by aliens, rising up out of their bodies, muslims have experienced allah (how many gods are there?) Some people even claim to be god.

"...As real as it may feel, a psychological experience cannot be used to empirically determine the existence or non-existence of God. That's where evidence comes in...

...there are many ways to induce these type of experiences. fasting, the use of psychedelic drugs, sleep deprivation, meditation, etc. and, as abraham maslow argues in his beautiful little book 'religions, values and peak-experiences', everybody is capable of having them...

...Loving god does not as such imply that god exists. It is possible to feel love towards an imaginary person if one only believes that the person in question exists. Love as such is not a proof of the existence of the object of love..."

http://richarddawkins.net/article,2016,People-whove-experienced-God-KNOW-that-God-exists,RichardDawkinsne
Posted by human interest, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 10:11:28 AM
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Dear Gibo,

I agree with Tor Hundloe, who
feels,that "... in the 21st Century
we can blend scientific thinking with
the search for a greater meaning in life."
The two don't need to be in confrontation.
We can have a multi-faceted quest.

Brian Bates', "The Real Middle Earth," p.30,
sums it up well, when he says:

"Today, there is a renewed hunger for
magic and mystery in a modern world in
which technology has failed to deliver peace,
and science has proven to be an inappropriate
language for finding answers to deeper
questions about our experiences...human
imagination is once again considered as
important as our rational mind.

We need both. Middle-Earth has returned."

This reference into the world of the Middle-Earth
shows, not that our search should not be based on
science, rather that it should not be based on
science alone.

We need reasoned discussion. We need an exchange of
ideas. The aim should not be to quarrel, but to
try to understand and respect each other if we
are to survive on this planet.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 1:48:06 PM
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Dear Pericles..

1/ yes, I'm sure black holes exist. (was that some kind of trick question?)

2/ There have been many examples of scientific fraud ..but really, while I can probably ferret out some.. I'd rather just do what I did with my cousin in Collingwood when I was about 6 ..stand on a street corner and yell "HEEEEERRRRALD.. REeeeead all about it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 1:49:06 PM
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Belly. As usual your right, and while most of us are in first gear, the three stooges are in Constance reveres. With all the evidence that is available now days, I think some have to swallow ideologies, along with pride and change their tune.
As for the big-bang theory, as soon as we get visuals on the matter concerning black holes joining, which I still believe its all a matter of create and destroy as in my first post on here says, its the closest theory man has got today. I believe black holes will all join up to create a super dense magnetic vortex that will suck everything back into its self and BANG! it all starts again.

If god made the universe, he designed it to run automatic! Its obviously not here looking out for us in every way imaginable by believers. I tend to think we are seeded here on this planet and if lived all those thousand of years ago and something came out of the sky, I would call it god too.
But as for now, evolution is the best for mans organs which I have painstakenly put down on this site over the last 12 months.

Faith is all it is! and evolution has provided us with that as well.

The programming that evolution has brought us is seen in everything we are and about to become.

Hypothetically, we maybe the product from a highly advanced race of humanoids which comes back from time to time just to see how we are going, and there's some evidence to support that.

The truth is not on this planet, and to be this highly intelligent by accident, is just too hard to believe. These little visits that was viewed by early man may just be for the belief in god that we speak of, and it could be all as simple as that!

But then again! It could be all in our minds.

EVO
Posted by EVO, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 2:04:35 PM
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Porkycrap: << There have been many examples of scientific fraud ..but really, while I can probably ferret out some.. >>

Who'd believe anything you say without corroborating evidence?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2200#48496
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 3:16:27 PM
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