RObert.
Yes...that version.
The version that said God did it in 6 days and rested on the 7th.
The version with the geneologies.

I dont know everything and Im happy to admit it.
No christian does.
WHO IS ALIVE TODAY WHO WAS LIVING AT THE BEGINNING and saw it?
Either christian or evolutionist?

We christians simply have The Holy Spirit to Guide us to the truth that is Written.

He makes ALL the difference.

The conflict with Lucifer over mens souls fits the geneologies of the Bible and points to a conflict some 6,000 years old.
see the Lucifer story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Some data presented suggests longer ages...but All of the real "Creation activity" has been occuring in the 6,000 period time frame.
Theres evidence that levels of sediment can solidify very quickly (Mount St.Helens)... and it puts the "millions of years layers" to much shame...and how conveniently the Evolution group overlooks it!
see
http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v11/i2/nature.asp

How accurate carbon dating is I also dont know.
Theres conflict in that arena as well I understand.

*I was only asking the question "was there any irrefutable evidence that the Genesis account wasnt true"?

We christians get picked on constantly, and sometimes hideously, by the pro-Evolutionists yet they cannot prove the Holy Bible to be incorrect.

Interesting Philo.
Im standing with the Moses writings as Moses being touch by The Holy Spirit to write exactly what the Holy Spirit wanted him to write.
It would have been wonderful to have seen it all happen and how God did it all and how it all fell into place. Only the angels were so priveliged.
I believe the Bible account is what God wants us to know... even if we havent got a full light on how He did it.

I'm genuinely puzzled at this particular outburst, Boaz.

>>No book of truth ? :) errrr *cough*.. "theories... research grants.. livelihoods.. reputations.. funding.. mark in history... name...legacy" *fights back the choking*<<

Perhaps you could nominate one single book of scientific truth for us, to explain your unseemly sarcasm - at least, I think that's what it is supposed to be.

The entire point of scientific discovery is that it is constantly... err, discovering. Any theory may at any time be supplanted by another, usually one demonstrating a finer understanding of both the problem and its relationship with the world.

In the meantime, we live comfortably in the realm of "weight of evidence", not requiring, or seeking, a categoric statement that "this is so, forever and a day".

Personally, I am fascinated by the work of astronomers, who spend their working lives discovering new galaxies, and forming views on such stuff as dark matter and dark energy, to try to nail down some of the bits that are on the periphery of our understanding.

My son asked me the other day "Dad, what happens when two black holes collide?" I couldn't answer him, I could only conjecture, from my limited understanding of the science involved. Neither of us was particularly perturbed that we couldn't come up with an answer.

But it also prompted me to ask the biblical scholars on this thread what their answer would be to this question.

Do black holes exist?

As a Christian, one of the things that worries me about a thread like this is that you often find posters making sweeping statements like "Christians believe..." when what they mean is that "some Christians believe...".

The Catholic Church accepts evolution, and as the largest Christian denomination world-wide that has to speak volumes for what Christians really think. I'm not a Catholic, I'm basically Anglican, and as far as I know most Anglicans believe in evolution. I was brought up Methodist, which is now part of the Uniting Church and I'd be sure the same thing applies there. Between those three denominations in Australia you have around 60% of Christians.

Thomas Aquinas, a famous Catholic theologian once said that God wrote two great books - the Bible, and the book of Nature - implicating science and logic in theological reasoning. Anglicans have a three-legged stool approach to theology where they look at scripture; logic and reason; and the practices of the Church.

In that context I think most Australian Christians would accept the Bible account of Genesis, but as allegory, not hard fact. In which case "evidence" doesn't arise in the sense that Gibo uses it. I'll accept the biblical account of creation because of the truths that I can tease out of it, not because it is the truth in an immutable way.

To treat Genesis and the bible as the ultimate truth denies that revelation still occurs, which is I think a profoundly un-Christian point of view. And on that sweeping statement, I'll stop.

Human interest
The christians have the Holy Spirit as their guide. he confirms the truth. We dont have to go any scientific process ways because we get the truth from Gods Spirit.

Check out the Charles Darwin story at http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/deathbed.htm

It shows Charles as a reader of the Bible and his perplexitiy at how his youthful thoughts/ponderings had taken off so wildly by those who lapped them up.

"As a Christian, one of the things that worries me about a thread like this is that you often find posters making sweeping statements like "Christians believe..." when what they mean is that "some Christians believe..."."

Context. Among regular OLO commenters those "some Christians" are better represented than Christians generally. They're like George Clooneys around here.

I would like to know more about how your average Christian accommodates evolution and black holes colliding and the creation of life in test tubes, but I'm not going to find out here.

One of the most intriguing things I've heard came from a Christian on the topic of the particle accelerator, if that's what it's called. If it could prove the big bang, would that disprove god? Apparently not. All it would prove as that it is possible for a creator to have created the big bang. Stumped this atheist far more effectively than acres of biblical quotes with no more evidence than a bit of intelligent and independent thought.

Hi Foxy.
I posted up this website a bit earlier

http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v11/i2/nature.asp

It shows how sediment levels can form very quickly e.g. in this case at Mount St. Helens.
These photos, and others similar, convinced my wife that we dont need millions of years.

Im very much inclined by the Holy Spirit to take the Genesis account, and everything else in the Bible, as a literal account of what God Wanted to convey to men and women.

My born again christian experience, the arrival of the Holy Spirit in my life as I asked Jesus into it, inclines me over to this view.
All other born againers would see it the same.

Socratease
Sorry about those Bagdag records in clay.
I guess they probably werent genuine otherwise God would have protected them.
Despite it all, and all who sought so determindly to destroy the Bible down through the ages...it wonderfully lives on to give millions daily hope.
Thats really says something to me about it being a God-Given record.
Its indestructible!