Spikey: "Was this the silliest thread ever on OLO? Must be close to it.

Gibo: "Spikey...is that your hairdo style? Join RObert at the back of the class.

Spikey rests her case.

After Adam was created, there he was, all alone, in the Garden of Eden. Of course it wasn't good for him to be all by himself, so the Lord paid him a visit.

"Adam," He said, "I have a plan to make you much, much happier. I'm going to give you a companion, a helpmate for you – someone who will fulfill your every need and desire. Someone who will be faithful and loving and obedient. Someone who will make you feel wonderful every day of your life."

Adam was stunned. "That sounds incredible!"

"It is," replied the Lord, "but it doesn't come for free. It's going to cost you an arm and a leg."

"That's a pretty high price to pay," said Adam. "What can I get for a rib?"

Now this is supposed to be truth? DNA! do you remember dolly the sheep.

Didn't workout too well. SMILE.

EVO

"I suspect youre one of the children who sat under an evolution school teacher...and drank it in as truth.
It was a bad start to life that hasnt improved much since then?
If you read the Bible that will of course change."

Gibo your capacity to draw wrong conclusions from the available evidence continues to surprise me from time to time.

I used to believe quite a few of the same deluded things you believe, thankfully not all.

One of the things I never believed was that I needed to hide from truth. I believed that the truth would set me free (and it did).

I did the mental gymnastics that believers who try and treat the bible as truth have to do for a long time gradually finding one dodge after another was fundamentally flawed. I used to subscribe to Ex Nihilo (the creation science magazine) until it became overwhelmingly obvious that they were desperately seeking shreds of evidence and putting the flimsiest ideas up as as evidence to support their beliefs. I had a copy of The Cosmic Conspiracy and paid it some heed until I looked into the science claims made and found them to be fraudulent. I believed other lies told within the churches to keep believers thinking that they've got something that the world does not have until I looked honestly and found it was not so.

You were correct when you acknowledged that reason destroys faith, especially literalistic faith.

A simple example for those who consider the bible to be perfect and scientifically accurate.

I have a circle with a diameter of 10 cubits.
Whats the circumference of the circle (to the nearest 2 decimal places will do)?

Now check your answer in 1 Kings 7:23

The bible is close but as a scientific measure I'd expect better from god if he or she was dictating.

R0bert

Praise The Lord Ive got a somewhat closed mind Foxy!

Ive seen some terrible things in my life...
and much of it in western culture.

Ive seen drugs go from a 'basement/jazz underworld' to killing thousands of the todays youth.

Ive seen alcohol, almost non-existant when I was at school, wash across western culture creating a generation of drunken teenagers.

The Chinese generals must dance with joy as they look south at NEW SOUTH CHINA and the uselessness of Aussie teenagers to defend Australia.

Ive seen abortion come out of the underworld to kill millions of unborn babies each year... children that that might have lived if minds were closed.

Ive seen the foulness of porn create a generation of sex maniacs and, now, sex criminals... who prowl the streets, abducting and molesting and raping and murdering.

Ive seen a permissive society let loose the gays out of the underworld and with them the spread of global disease and death.

...and you wonder why some like me would want closed minds?
We simply want to homour The Lord and block out the foulness that open minds permit.

It as the open mind, that killed a civilisation.

Soon The Coming King and an end to it all.

Dear Gibo,

A closed mind is like a closed book
Just a block of wood.

People who are mature people can laugh
at themselves, admit their flaws
and have the ability to overcome
life's obstacles without giving
in to emotions, or anger.

They don't
need to preach, because their actions
basically speak for themselves.

What I wish for you is to teach your
children the beauty that is life.

Teach them understanding, forgiveness,
mercy,compassion and love for their
fellow human beings. In that way they
will truly be loving God.

And remember above all else teach them
to, "Do unto others..."

Have a hate-free day.

You didnt respond to my last statements Foxy.

You protected yourself from them and skirted around the "open mind issue" as it being part of the fall of a civilisation.

You skirted around the Harry Potter issue likewise to keep your open mind... not re: the dangers of Harrys witchcraft did you focus, but on the fanatsy you like to live through the books:(

I guess youre part of the problem and youre not as strong in character as I thought you were.
Oh well.
Give your life to Jesus and that will change.