Thank you, Fractelle.

Pericles: “But just for the record, there is no "scientific issue" here.”
Of course there isn’t, no matter what they call it.
Creationism was given its name change, I guess, by American creationists who hoped that a subject called “Intelligent Design” would sound scientific enough to wedge into science classes rather than a subject called “Creationism”.
BTW, thanks for your clarifying post to Polycarp’s outburst on October 28. I was puzzled about PC’s reaction, too.

Polycarp,
Let me just say that I’m sorry to read that you suffer from convulsions when people simply talk about books on science.
At least you don’t deny natural selection, which is to your credit.

Richard Dawkins said in The God Delusion:

“Fundamentalists know they are right because they have read the truth in a holy book and they know, in advance, that nothing will budge them from their belief. The truth of the holy book is an axiom, not the end product of a process of reasoning. The book is true, and if the evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out, not the book.
By contrast, what I, as a scientist, believe (for example, evolution) I believe not because of reading a holy book but because I have studied the evidence. It really is a very different matter. Books about evolution are believed not because they are holy. They are believed because they present overwhelming quantities of mutually buttressed evidence.
In principle, any reader can go and check that evidence. When a science book is wrong, somebody eventually discovers the mistake and it is corrected in subsequent books. That conspicuously doesn’t happen with holy books.”

Home tutor,
Do your children receive home schooling?
Just wondering whether parents who home school are given a curriculum and whether there’s any control by the dept of Education on what they teach their children about e.g. science.

Harry Potter books:
Agreed, Foxy and Steel Mann.
I can’t imagine a child hood without such books; books like this have enriched my childhood and that of my children.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Hamlet.

>>you and Pericles often come in with allegations which are quite_offensive. If someone places information which they believe to be true, yet turns out to be a bit different, you call it a "lie"<<

I am normally extraordinarily careful to avoid calling anyone a liar, Boaz. If you can find any instance where I have done so, I will immediately and wholeheartedly apologize.

You mention the Swedish Pastor incident.

>>If you took a different approach.. let's say "Poly.. are you sure about that 'now it's illegal' bit? have a look at this story and see if you still hold that position"... You blokes could..(if you wanted to) take the same approach about the Pastor in Sweden. "Are you sure he went to Jail?"<<

This, in fact, is how I brought it to your attention:

"Incidentally, while we are talking about doing your homework, did you realize that the example you gave in the opening post - Ake Green's one month jail - never happened?... I wish you would try harder to get your facts straight, Boaz."

I also took care to include your original statement in full, and a URL reference to the piece in question.

It's a symptom of the same problem, I'm afraid. You could easily have gone back and found the same extract yourself, but you didn't.

My problem with your rabble-rousing has always been with the sheer disregard you show for the facts.

You have a habit - a compulsion, even - to grab hold of any situation that may reflect badly upon your enemies, and rush straight into print.

When the reality of this is made known to you, you bluster and evade, making the whole issue far bigger than it should be.

By your continued evasion of responsibility for your errors, you give the impression that your attempt to mislead us all was deliberate, rather than accidental as you now seem to claim.

The remedy is in your hands.

Think before you rush to judgment. Check your facts. Pause, and read carefully what you write.

Sympneology, I'm in agreement with what I read in your posts.

The issue comes when some try and take those texts way beyond what they are. Those who want creation taught as science, those like Gibo who have so misunderstood what they claim to base their lives on that they consider the opening chapters to be the authoritive historical and scientific record of how the universe and our world came into being.

They talk as though it was 100% accurate, dictated by god and infallable whilst ignoring the errors.

R0bert

I think I found god! its RObert! LMFAO. Thanks for that, it made my day.

EVO

'In the beginning God' We still only have myths and fantasies outside of the obvious. Most of the posters here confirm it. It is a pity they are either naive or deceptive in claiming that any sort of true science says otherwise.

From the smallest necessity to the
highest religious abstruction
from the wheel to the skyscraper,
everything we are and everything we have
comes from one attribute of man -
the function of his reasoning mind.
Ayn Rand.

If you're taught to believe
what you're told without question,
that's not education, that's indoctrination.