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Any evidence that the Bible Genesis account isnt the truth?

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So, basically the answer to the original question is:

Yes, lots. But you won't believe any of it. Because if God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omipresent, then anything is possible and science doesn't mean anything at all. The universe is able to be changed at will.
Posted by Bugsy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:11:27 PM
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MJBP said:

<<Thank you Steele Mann for your lucid grounded contribution with not a hint of unprovoked ad hominem.>>

hmm you mean like THIS one from CJ morgan?

<<I don't blame you for your obvious lack of education, but I do object to the persistent mendacity and arrogance by which you attempt to foment hatred, ignorance and divisiveness in this forum.>>

Or this one from Pericles?

<<If at any stage you had shown the slightest inclination to 'fess up to your gross distortions of reality, Boaz, there might be a part of me somewhere that could possibly be persuaded that they are, after all, merely "muff-ups".>>

All the while, ignoring their 'interesting' take on many issues, which, (if they had the required education) they would most likely not make. I won't say they are uneducated at all, but simply uneducated in the areas where they claim I myself distort history etc.

You blokes see distortions because you rarely see with unblinkered eyes. I never cease to be amazed at the way "I don't know anything about this" is juxtaposed with "But ur wrong wrong wrong, and all you do is stir up trouble" kind of thing.. (very loose paraphrase)

Hysteria in people who lack knowledge can be a dangerous thing. They tend to leap into dangerous conclusion-quicksand.

CJ goes to extensive lengths to try to portray "I know natural selection is a fact" into "You demonstrate you are uneducated and don't understand and then you deny it anyway" (summary of your expressed views)

Well dear fellows, I can only regard such extreme and unfriendly overtures as signs of desperation and lack of counter argument....
"if you can't whup the message, whup the messenger"

Don't worry, my hide is quite well conditioned.

The difference between us is that I don't waste huge amounts of time trawwwwling through all your previous posts JUST to try to show "you made a mistake ummmaaaahhhh".. some reflection might be in order boys.

I anticipate that about 3 weeks from now, dear CJ will be reminding me of some huge LIE about natural selection :)
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:39:02 PM
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Dear Gibo,

Perhaps Genesis and Evolution are inter-linked?
One tells us "Who." The other, "How."

Perhaps God gave humanity the intelligence to
eventually develop the skills to find out the
reality of evolution, and the connection it has
with Genesis?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:46:55 PM
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Graham,
Despite what I said on the ‘feeler’ I wonder how you view the outcome of the debate?
I’m pleased the ad hominem attacks didn’t really get off the ground.
Three points.
• The wording of the question was a logical nul. It is logically impossible to prove a negative only that there are explanations that fit the facts better.
• I did note however that there was virtually no anthropologic archaeological based facts given that indicate that much of Genesis is an amalgam of variations of older pagan religions.
• ‘Debates’ don’t seem to take much attention of biological imperatives i.e. the 40 % genetic and the variations, the “x” (unknown.) factor in the conclusions. To me that means “each to their own” with regard to religion. Proof of the existence of God et al given the above un-disprovable and therefore the proof is in the mind of the individual.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 4:07:21 PM
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CJ.. the problem with admitting error to YOU is that you and Pericles often come in with allegations which are quite_offensive.

If someone places information which they believe to be true, yet turns out to be a bit different, you call it a "lie". When you do this, the only way of 'fixing' the situation in your minds is an admission of 'lying'.

If you took a different approach.. let's say "Poly.. are you sure about that 'now it's illegal' bit? have a look at this story and see if you still hold that position" aaaah..now THAT is called "working together for the best outcome and fullness of the story"

You blokes could..(if you wanted to) take the same approach about the Pastor in Sweden. "Are you sure he went to Jail?"

It's not a difficult thing to work with people of good will, as you know they are interested in truth rather than the character assasination you 2 scallywags appear bent on.

I'd be more sypathetic to your 'concern for truth' IF....you were prepared to engage on some of the very important issues regarding say Surah 9.

But because you don't do anything other than attack character, rather than confront and strive for truth.. you are really more of a waste of time than anything.(in your present condition)

Put on the new clothes of "working together" rather than tearing apart on issues you have an emotional trigger with...and perhaps we will all be better off.

On say surah 9, you could have looked at it, thought about it.. did some reading... and offered a perspective. But...nope, just the usual meaningless diatribe "rabble rousing"....

You could always take the words of the Sydney Judge when he described the 6 suspects in the terrorism trial...but..I guess he is just 'rabble rousing' too :)

<<"In essence, that meant that the accused were motivated to carry out violent activities against members of the Australian community as a whole, in pursuit of their ideals.">>

Now... a worthwhile discussion would be "Are those ideals soundly based on the Quran"? hence.. my challenge re surah 9.
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 4:08:47 PM
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"...Ive been born again with His Spirit in me 26 years and am now so used to having Gods Spirit in me that I quite often forget that there was an 'old life' when I was thrashing around in my fallen, carnal state doing my own thing...and forming my own theories..."

Cripes, that's not how I view being enlightened, educated, informed and thinking for myself! I guess some people just need to have the comfort of believing someone is sheltering and protecting them from life itself.

"...One of my pastors had a pancreatic cancer healing right on the spot in front of the congregation..."

Did anyone have actual proof of the cancer prior to the 'healing'? Medical records etc?

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG001.html

1 - "...The story of Darwin's recanting is not true. Shortly after Darwin's death, Lady Hope told a gathering that she had visited Darwin on his deathbed and that he had expressed regret over evolution and had accepted Christ. However, Darwin's daughter Henrietta, who was with him during his last days, said Lady Hope never visited during any of Darwin's illnesses, that Darwin probably never saw her at any time, and that he never recanted any of his scientific views (Clark 1984, 199; Yates 1994).

2 - The story would be irrelevant even if true. The theory of evolution rests upon reams of evidence from many different sources, not upon the authority of any person or persons...
Posted by human interest, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 5:28:48 PM
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