Gibo, Steel Mann

I am skeptical of a lot of so called healings. Many are counterfeit for the genuine. In saying that wherever there is a counterfeit there is also the genuine. Personally I was due for surgery a number of years ago. I had to cancel the surgery because God healed me miraculously. I believe God still heals today although many fakes have hidden that fact through their claims. Bad theology unfortunately stops people from looking to God for healing. Hopefully we will see more and more people healed of incurable diseases in the future

Dear Human Interest ,
I am not a rocket sientist just an ordinary everyday garden varity of farmer .I have NEVER seen any evidence to support evolution But the words of slick talking edecated fokes who love to use big WORDS to impress us simple folks . BUT every time I sow a seed I prove genesis 1--12 . As for most of the rest of genesis I wasn't there so for me to speculate would be foolish . My understanding of evolution is that with the passing of much time we evolve into better species . A belief taken or adapted from the Hindu religion and as I only have 1 lifetime to live I am not going to waste it debating the merits of other beliefs which common sense tells me is just vanity .

Oliver,
"Like it or not, there are primates on both sides of the ape enclosures at the zoo."
Too funny, I almost choked on my banana.

Home Tutor,
Scientist don't claim that humans stem from apes. Apes and humans just share a common ancestor, that's all.

Steel Mann,
"Studies have actually proven that those people who believe in the power of prayer do get better quicker when they're sick. It's not proof of the existance of a God, but it is evidence that having a faith works."
True, faith can work like the placebo effect. That's why homeopathy and other snake oils also work for some people.

The question is, does prayer work better than the placebo effect?
The answer is that there is no evidence at all that prayer works better to heal the sick then the placebo effect would.
If there is, I'd be very interested to learn about that.

Then, there's the well-known question, "Why doesn't God heal amputees?" when amputees pray for healing.

Steel Mann,

Studies that show prayer truly heals have routinely found to be flawed. See here http://www.infidels.org/infidels/newsletter/1999/may.html#Prayer and all over the interwebs.

I don't know what you mean by saying you and Gibo have experience. Of what? If you know people who have apparently "miraculously" got better from illnesses, then so do I. If I belonged to a religious communion, it would be deemed a miracle — I do not, so I deem it a biological process we have not yet explained.

That said, believe what you will — I don't mean to diss your world view. I just don't like misinformation.

Prayer?

If God has a Divine Plan, is He going to change it just because you want Him to? What happens to all the ones that go unfulfilled?

My guess is that prayer is no more than a statistically probable event and as effective as making a wish before blowing out the candles on a birthday cake.

If anybody has some scientific evidence to the contrary, I'm willing to recant.

Somebody once said -
"I prayed and prayed for God to let me have a bike but He didn't deliver, so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me instead".

That probably says a lot more about the way the world really works.

Hi Human Interest.
Theres always been a battle between good and evil going on; and its based on a conflict between God and the Right Way which is towards Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross for all of us...and satan (Lucifer no more) and his alternative religions.
I dont think we can call the goals of say Islam (i.e. global control of all cultures) all that good?
I think George Bush did pretty well for a man suddenly thrust into a resistance of evil.
Good one George.
A good site on the endtimes?
"The signs that we are in the endtimes".

http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php

Foxy.
Creation and evolution interlinked?
I know were are in a fallen environment, everything wants to eat or dominate everything else, and I do know that things change a bit here and there (I call it mutate). Maybe God did give us the ability to think about a link between Creation and evolution? I havent noticed one though.
I think He sure gave us the knowledge in the Bible to seek Him out and to find Him... and His plan-through-Jesus Christ to save us from the final Judgment.

*I find along the great road of life, He has left little signs to His Existance and Glory.
The one that fascinates me is plan old Nostalgia...the home sickness/the longing for a better and now past time, that we have within us.
It doesnt represent a hundreds of thousands or millions of years struggle of early ape man carving out a survival on a dinosaur infested world.
Its a more recent thing and points also to a young world because its still in the mankind species and has yet to fade.
Nostalgia harkens to a Paradise now lost...Eden.
Nostalgia backs up the Genesis account of a fall of man and an explusion from a Perefect world of lush green vegitation and an intimate relationship with the animal world.

Hows that sound as we all analyse Nostalgia today?