Diploman that post is strange.
First you give credit to your opinion by telling us you knew on day one Turnbull would lead.
So did many of us
Then you say ? well what did you say?
Doesn't matter as you seemed to say our opinions do not matter.
Turnbull got that lift in the polls.
In my view he is going to get more but why the wait?
Costello? gee bury that idea he never had the jam to challenge or lead, he never will.
If he did he could not ever win, if he bought every ticket in a raffle some one would forget to draw it.
If John Howard's wife stood against poor Dr Nelson she would trounce him.
She already has Costello's scalp on her belt.

Malcolm Turnbull's clearly the best choice for the liberal Party. Clearly, by a country mile. And that is precisely why they are inevitably destined to be massacred at the next election. Before the next election it's my prediction they will, through necessity, dump Malcolm Turnbull. The replacement will have to resurrect the party at relatively short notice before the election. This will hand the election to the Labour party on a plate.

By then then economy will have recovered, the share market will be booming yet again, and the Liberal Party will yet again be immersed in party wrangling and power plays. Labour will present itself at the election as a conservative and competent manager of the economy, and they will romp in.

In Parliament, Kevin Rudd in government has clearly displayed (to anyone except hardened Liberal supporters; I think they all come here to post) a debating superiority that is manifestly obvious. The poor Liberals, with their current hypocritical and phony cry for single pension increases (which they FAILED to do in their long period of government), show how they simply don't understand this basic issue. It's badly backfired on them, and they can't now back away, they are obliged to see it through to the bitter end.

The Liberals are now a bunch of amateurs, without John Howard. He was the only person who held them together, with Peter Costello as help. Peter Costello is a GREAT 2nd in charge, but unfortunately for the Liberals, would be an even greater disaster as leader than Malcolm Turnbull will prove to be.

Almost every time Mr Rudd stands up in parliament he demolishes the inept opposition: The Liberals are reduced to screaming and yelling across the floor. At least Mr Rudd usually attempts to explain things in detail, with intelligence. I've lost count of the number of times Mr Howard answered with a sarcastic "yes" or "no". The difference between the two men is like night and day.

Mr Rudd will prove to be a great Australian Prime Minister. The Liberal Party currently has no answer to talent like that.

Yes Fractelle, I suppose my point is that if our opinions are worth much they will be cancelled in an election by the vote of a person who has no opinion but a perception that a party leader looks like a Prime Minister.Malcolm Turnbull had to take the job when it was offerred, but his chances of becoming P.M. might have been better if he'd been able to take over the reins when the parties were in the home straight to the next election.

Despite people claiming Macolm Turbull isnt a farmer, I thought it might be helpful for you all to know 'something' about him.

He has =Beef and Crop farms.


I agree with Graham Youngs comments that support for Rudd is soft.

He needs to do something other than say hes having a review on a anything and everything he asked about.

Parliment today certainly has not helped him either. The rise for single pensioners was passed by Senate today- However will be axed by Rudd. SHAME

Kevin said himself"- quote=
*No people cant live on a single aged pension anymore*
Then! turns around and say I am 'not going' to increase their money by $30.00.


Howard would never have 'addmitted' to the fact you couldnt live on a single pension in the first place.

Thats the difference between an experienced poly and a inexperienced.

Rudds Staff also have complained about temper outbursts and abuse towards them if others dont agree.

You know I never heard one word of complaint in ten years from Howards staff.

I am not a Howard lover by a long shot but since Rudds inexperience is showing.

Lets see if I am right. Lets see if Rudds Government blokes the rise for the elderly singles despite addmitting they cant live on it.

So Foxy do you think its right to leave our elderly eating dog food and bread?

"Howard would never have 'addmitted' to the fact you couldnt live on a single pension in the first place.

Thats the difference between an experienced poly and a inexperienced."

PALEIF, I don't much like Rudd but if you are right about Howard not admitting to that I'd prefer Rudd's honesty over denial that there is a problem.

Neither approach helps those doing it tough but at least the harm is not compounded by lies. Certainly fits the "caught between a rock and a hard place" concept.

R0bert

RObert I think and hope you understand the issue of the pensioner increase.
Mal may well have helped draft it but it was never going to be passed and he knew it.
It was a weapon, nothing less.
Law forbids money bills like that coming via the Senate.
Right now we have to understand if in power the conservatives may well have not passed it.
The government [ can any one doubt it] will after the review increase pensions.
Right now it has never been more important that we spend wisely.
The Elephant in the corner is that we know baby boomer's are about to test our ability to pay pensions.
We are in good hands this term and after the next election.
Rudd must not fail us all by giving too much weigh to the thoughts of some who do not truly understand the issue.
And your future prime minister ,yes one day, must not abandon financial responsibility for short term gains, or he will follow Nelson out the back door.