GERBRAND,
Have you always lived in fantasy land or is it drug induced?

Why do you think other aboriginals would want to live in your aboriginal state, your Utopia? The aboriginals that I have known are too smart to go back to dreamtime. Most people in any ethnic group are practical.

This forum is a microcosm of our society. Where are the "ABORIGINAL" contributers to this topic? There's **NONE**!

It sounds like a whole bunch of non-aboriginal people discussing what they "believe" is, and isn't, proper for the aboriginal people of Australia. Non aboriginal authorities have directed, managed and ruled the aboriginal nations (plural) in Australia for well over 200 years. This forum continues the "tradition" of non aboriginal people discussing what's best for aboriginal people. Even sympathetic comments are "still" from non aboriginal people (myself included)...the point is, aboriginal people "themselves" need to be heard.

I invite anybody here to walk down the streets of Alice Springs at night, to witness the squalor, debilitating and extreme violence, stench, endemic intellectual impairment through alcohol, homelessness and hopelessness that is the result of attempts of non aboriginal authorities to IMPOSE non aboriginal solutions. Try talking to some of these aboriginal street people here......communication is nigh impossible on anything but the most basic level; English is NOT their language, it NEVER has been; our English is a forced and imposed language upon them. "Our" culture is a FOREIGN culture to them. We have systematically destroyed and debilitated a once "free" race of people.

And we don't give a stuff. We want them either out of the way, or as much as possible "like us".

The vast majority of Australians have ZERO knowledge of aboriginal people who are not like like them (ie aboriginal people who are not part of their "mainstream" economic/social system) .....and they don't care anyway. Heck, it's a case of, "the whites won and the blacks lost, so deal with it, stuff you" attitude that so many people have in this country. These knuckledraggers don't want to hear "aboriginal" opinions that don't agree with their own opinions....they want aboriginal people to look and act and think and talk just like non aboriginal people as much as possible.

Chances are we won't be hearing an "aboriginal" opinion on this topic, because like I said we're just a microcosm here of the wider society. And hardly anybody cares anyway.

My browser, or whatever you call it is packing up so before I disappear, hopefully not forever! I think you should all read what you have been saying. There is no clearer example of apartheid than exists in Australia. Europeans need permission to visit Aboriginal reservations. Most Europeans have never met a person from the Aboriginal race.

This is NOT an Aboriginal problem. It is OUR problem. We are the inheritors of a Tasmanian genocide. We are the inheritors of 200 years of a MORE SUBTLE VERSION OF GENOCIDE. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO ASK AN ABORIGINAL PERSON WHAT HE OR SHE THINKS. It is NOT their problem.
The Aboriginal people have been lifted up and dumped down every few elections and they are so fed up with our mealymouthedness they probably couldn't care less. This will be yet another venture into the void so why should they bother themselves. Be prepared for the 'white' Aboriginal to enter the fracas. Their jobs could be on the line?

GERBAN Your comments
To rehctub
1. Have you noticed the mental breakdowns, family disintegrations and the general despair becoming rife in communities caused largely by
"overwork"; "overtaxation"; and the "overburdening" of individuals, particularly men, in today's society? Can we survive 60,000 yrs. of hard labour?

Well yes I have but I seriously doubt their problems have been caused entirely by the system.
In most cases they all have a mobile phone bill, many have a grand plasma on the wall, many drive expensive cars, or boats or both and, in most cases they are all on hock. One can’t blame society laws for their failure to manage their own personal debts and spending habits. When I bought my first house I had to save a 30% deposit, now you get given a deposit. When we had our children we got nothing, now they get 5 grand. A labourer earns $30 per hour so how come they can’t survive on this hey. Cause they WASTE MONEY!

2. When Aboriginal people regain their dignity and manage and mind their "own business" alcohol will cease to be a problem
…… Not worth commenting on, at least not until you and I share the same planet!

But, we had better hurry up...just as in European society, young people are rebelling against manipulation and materialism.

Yes well we agree here however what I see as the main problem is that we are bringing up a society of wimps as opposed to men as was the case 40 years ago. Young guys are more interested in how their hair looks or if their hands are cracking as they are in becoming a man.
Don’t blame the system as much as the ‘do-gooders’ who just can’t keep their noses out of other peoples business.
Bring back the cane, the strap. Let the local cops give the young ones a kick up the behind and send them on their way. Then you will see some changes in our society.

What a stupid idea, since Aboriginal people are the first people of Australia they should not have to pay tax and should have FREE private education not a state, how is that possible with different tribes and languages across Australia? It makes me wonder how many people will put up hands and say they are Aboriginal, when really they are not.

Fractelle: << I am still reeling at the proposals for a 'servant nation' and the segregation that such a 'nation' would require.

Does no-one else find these ideas completely reprehensible? >>

I did, and said so - but I'm quite astonished that only Fractelle and I have thus far commented on this extraordinary idea.

The idea of a separate state for Australian Aboriginal people is ludicrous enough, but the suggestion that they could constitute a "servant nation" is appalling.