"I hate to say it but it is an interesting scenario."

You have raised the most pivotal and formidable factor stalking humanity. I challenge someone to make a thread: 'WHAT IF THE JEWS ARE RIGHT - AND THEIR VERSION OF THE OT & HISTORY IS CORRECT?' Consider the outcome!

If your talking from a biblical pov, then the answer is in the verse to Abraham: "KNOW FOR A SURETY THY SEED SHALL BE IN BONDAGE' [Genesis]. Now this was prophesized before Jews existed, before Abraham bore a seed, before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham. This means there was yet no sin - one cannot sin before being born - nr punished before existing. Soon after, Abraham was tested grieviously. This signifies the nations are being tested.

And admittedly, the test, if it is such, is very grevious upon christians and muslims: admitting Jews are right - all but negates the NT & Quran - which is unacceptable for today's innocent believers! However, this appears probable even if Jews or israel never existed or were destroyed: the NT & Quran are in abject contradiction of each other - ensuring a face-off looming. In fact, this is only on pause because of deflection upon Israel: the Jews are in fact protecting a great war between two religions.

What I see is, this is hardly a battle for a few acres of barren land. It appears two of the world's greatest religions are trembling at the knees. They are saying they cannot stand if Judaism/Israel stands. Nothing to do with land, occupation, palestinians, zionism, etc, etc, etc. Here, what if the Jews and their version of the Bible is correct - becomes the most scary thing imaginable. And thus far - almost everything stated in the OT is vindicated via relics uncovered - while almost everything said in the NT and Quran shows the reverse.

I have no answer how this hovering tragedy can be avoided - thus the chant to wipe Israel off the map by Islamists - and silence and UN fostering by Europe.

IamJoseph – 'WHAT IF THE JEWS ARE RIGHT - AND THEIR VERSION OF THE OT & HISTORY IS CORRECT?' Consider the outcome!” What a nice thought! We all get to burn in hell while people like IamJoseph gets to live forever in heaven! Sadly for you Joe I doubt if the Jewish bible speaks anything like the truth.

The Jewish bible has NOTHING of truth or fact in it! NONE of its stories have ever been proven and if you have read some of them as I have you would have to think Yahweh is completely mad because of some of the bizarre things he asks his people to do!

The Jewish bible has all the credibility of Greek Mythology or the Aboriginal Dreamtime! If I told you that I worshiped the God Zeus and think Atlas holds up the world nobody would take me seriously. What about if I told you a giant snake called the rainbow serpent made all the rivers in Australia! People would think I am mad! And here you are IamJoseph seriously contemplating whether or not you and your Jewish cohorts are the “chosen people”

Mate give up flogging your dead horse!

IamJoseph, I don't give a damn about the so-called legitimacy of Israel's historical connection to that land or otherwise. I care more for practicalities, and on every practical measure the creation of Israel as a recognised modern state in that location was a mistake.

Largely due to the religious aspect of having such fundamentalist religious beliefs in such close proximity. I've visited the wailing wall and seen the golden dome of the dome-of-the-rock scarcely more than a stones throw away.

Simply put, when you add this layer of politics to sites of such religous importance you create problems, and it's why there will never be peace there.

I do agree that in the aftermath of the holocaust, some kind of refuge for the Jewish people was needed, but surely there were less volatile geographical areas that could have been considered. I realise the Jews wanted Israel, but they wanted it for these historical and religious reasons, which frankly, given the amount of carnage it has caused, wasn't worth giving to them. It disgusts me how religion becomes such a cog in the ongoing hatred there.

Iamjoseph...

It is interesting, isn't it. My dad is a Fundamentalist preacher so I know their beliefs. I am kind of out of the loop, not having been to church in years. As I grow older I have to admit that maybe the old man (older than me, and I am old) may be right.

One thing you miss, the Christians are split. The Liberals like the palestinians and the fundamentalists support Israel. They see in Israel the fullfillment of God's promise to his people. They also consider themselves apart from the rest of humanity, as are the jews. They see the end times and the restoration of Israel as a fullfillment of Prophecy when jews see the error of their ways. That will take some doing, I think. Anyway, I have sat through dozens of sermons on revelation, ezequiel, daniel, and so on.

All I know if the Dome of the Rock suddenly is destroyed and the Jews rebuild their Temple, watch out. It will get bad. The four horsemen will be visiting this planet.

I find it funny that liberals blame fundamentalists for wanting and doing supid things to bring on the apocalypse (donations, paying for jews to fly to Israel, breeding a red heifer, etc...). The people that are really working hard to make the prophesy come true are the Arabs and enemies of Israel. If they would make peace with the jews and live side by side in harmony then there would be no "end times" and the Bible would be a fairy tale.

Or maybe the Jews and Arab could kill each other and the rest of us could have peace.

EasyTimes, your statement about "proof" is stupid. Every heard of a science called archeology? It is when experts dig up artifacts of ancient peoples. And one last thing... if the jews want to be the "chosen people" that is fine with me. If we look at 2500 years of human history, being "the chosen" is a very dubious honor, unless you like massacres, persecution, expulsion, murders, etc... They can have it!

Kactuz

EasyTimes,

You wrote:

"...What about if I told you a giant snake called the rainbow serpent made all the rivers in Australia! People would think I am mad!"

LOL

Next you'll be telling me you don't believe an angel called Gibril "revealed" the koran verbatim to a seventh century Arabian warlord called Muhammad.

Watch it mate. This cavalier attitude towards "sacred" texts can land you in trouble.

stevenlmeyer
1. Your question is not very helpful!

The reality is that the Israel exists, with its nuclear bombes, millions of people in a tiny strip of land.

Palestinians are the victims from Israel's creation.

Israelis must understand the real conditions in their region and our planet and stop to follow the USA blindly, in their region or in our world.
They can not do what they did for long time, and they must do everything to become member from European Union.

I understand Israeli's interest to create their state in the their LOST LAND, their religious help them to keep their national ID in various coeners of our planet and under hard conditions, for thaousands of years.
UN have the duty to protect Israel, as they are its creators BUT THEY MUST PRESS IT TO RESPECT PALESTINIAN'S.

For me IT WAS BIG MISTAKE THE CREATION FROM THE UNIVERSE!
BUT IT HAPPENED!

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide