Alas I don’t think either is going to happen because as history will tell you the concept of the “Jew” should have gone the same way as the concept of the Anglo or the Celt or the Saxon or the many other tribes which have existed though out time. The only way the Jew survived as a concept is though a culture of pure dogmatism racism bigotry and arrogances and it is this culture which is going to lead to Israel’s demise. The concept of compromise is not in the Jewish culture because if it was Jews would not exist as a group they would just be Germans or Aussies or Poms. The Jews are there own worst enemy and always have been.

Israel is going to go the way of the titanic and it will all end in a big mess with EVERYBODY losing. In 100 years time people will look at the star of David in the same way as we look at the Nazi swastika today

The mistake stems from Briton, but there is none to confront this truth.

There was never any need to allocate so many lands to the Arabs. The kurds, druse, coptics and Jews - all predate both Islam and the Arab race.

Briton created these states for 30 barrels of oil - even handing states to family heads as their 'personal and private properties'. Not a single arab state is based on any historical borders - all are based on oil borders.

Briton had no need to dishonour the Balfour Mandate [a mandate being non-negotiable]. This was done illeally - when the jews were at their most helpless, following W.W.11. 80% of Palestine, which was allocated to the jews, was carved out to jordan, and called a 2-state. The arabs did not need a golf course in soccer sized Israel - their biff is no other religion can subsist - but no one wants to confront this hovering premise - till it blows up in the world's faces.

Today, a deathly 3-state is still called a 2-state [WOW!]. If the world stops pretending to be truthful, it must agree there is only one state which was re-established legally, by voting at the UN, with all Arab/Islamic states participating in that Motion. All the regime states are illegal, and if not for Israel - Islam and Christianity would be engaged in all out war: the denial of the Jerusalem temple by muslims negates the Gospels [which claims one Jesus visited there] - far more than it can dent Judaism.

This was the act of the true Judas - and the greatest crime still unattended:

'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC COMPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE ARABS AND ONE FOR THE JEWS' - Churchill.

Briton lost its prefix of 'GREAT' above. Jordan should be abolished, and India should retake Pakistan and Bangladesh. Else Eurostan will happen.

"Israel is going to go the way of the titanic and it will all end in a big mess with EVERYBODY losing. In 100 years time people will look at the star of David in the same way as we look at the Nazi swastika today"

Actually, the Star of David proves only Israel's historical legitimacy, and that the jews have never occupied another peoples' lands in all their 4000 year history. This despite being the world's most robbed and dispersed peoples throughout the nations. One can hardly say the same for her accusers? One can hardly speak about israel only via the example of the post-60's Pretend Palestinians - this is a cmmendation, not a fault for a 4000 year nation?

The pretend Palestinians are the world's least effected refugees, with more options and facilities than any other peoples in Geo-History. If the Jew factor was not applicable - the Pretend Pals would never make page 175 once in a century.

The exaggerated verbage and villification, totally devoid of any veracity, speaks more of the accuser than the accused. IMHO, Israel is one of the most legitimate nations in existance - and one of the best. You forgot to nominate any wrongs by Israel - and compared to whom?!

IamJoseph,
Actually it all started with the Russian court with "progoms" and "pales" (areas defined for Jews). About the times when the other empires were crumbling and in their place Nationalism was taking over. Because of the suppression/poverty they faced Jewish Nationalism "Zionism" gathered momentum. Then the Brits in order to get the Jewish financial support promised Israel. There have been 3-4 mass migrations of Jews to Palistine over the years before Israel. The state of Israel wasn't delivered in fact untill 1949 with the help of the USA who wanted a base in the Middle East.

There is no reason for Jews not to be Aussies etc.
Jew defines their religion not their race.
We have our share of 'arrogant'(recalcitrant) Catholics and Protestants too.

In hind sight it was a human disaster when the the jews were allowed to get away with Part of Palestine thanks to the USA. The most disturbingpart was the dubious and in some cases terrorist means used to achieve the takeover. (1935 Zionists bombed the King David Hotel) They disposessed Palestinians who had legal titles to land and property.

But it matters little now Israel exists what is needed is a negotiated settlement instead of playing games. Neither side are innocent.

In 1948 the UN, with wide support, approved a two-state solution. Immediately the Arab nations around Israel attacked the Jews, aborting the Palestian state at birth. That is history, that is why the Palestianians don't have a state (that and the hate). If they are angry, please take it up with their Arab neighbors.

There is another small matter overlooked here. The small matter called the "Bible".

What if... What if the Bible is right? What if the jews were scattered as punishment? What if they were brought back at the "end times" because of a divine plan? What if the nations of the earth arise against Israel?

I hate to say it but it is an interesting scenario. It is almost as if Israel were to be destroyed pleace and love would reigh upon the earth and everything would be fine. No more oil problems because the Arabs would love us. No more Palestian problems and so no more jihad and hate. The earth would be one big happy family. Oh happy day.

Of course there is still one small problem. The God of Israel (or Jesus, in the fundamentalist Christian version) may be sitting up there waiting for the nations of the earth to act against his chosen people. He will not be happy.

It kind of looks like this could happen. Slowly the Jews lose what little support they have, the West turns it back on Israel, the New United Europe says it will protect the jews but changes it mind, the kings of the East want some of the action, Muslims declare their big final jihad, Russia wants some of the spoils - and zump, bang, boom!

Interesting! I should have paid more attention in Sunday School. Maybe the mistake is not Israel.

Kactuz

"Actually it all started with the Russian court with "progoms" and "pales" (areas defined for Jews)."

If the pursuit is for truth, as is mine, then let truth not be corrupted. It all started with medevial european christianity. Islam is emulating Europe, and Europeans are silent of it - they do not speak out for jews when the muslim demands and teachings are 100% false and antithetical: why is that? European christians are silent of falsehoods against Jews even when it hurts them more than it will Jews: why is that? - is the muslim chant negating the jerusalem temple not destructive to the Gospels? Is the vatican a house of diplomacy - or a house for God and truth that it remains silent when muslims call the Jerusalem temple a myth? - and muslims as Palestinians? - when this name was dumped on Jews by Europe [Rome] 2000 years ago! Wow!

Here's an example why Jews were unable to return to the land stolen from them:

'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* - BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS' - A genocidal decree by Pope not so Pious.

Does it mean christians should loose Europe because they rejected Mohammed? You can see - such ways will destroy christianity as it did Mighty Rome - and this must be avoided - not tolerated - because there are sincere Godly believing christians - who have been misled. If a christian denies the Jewish homeland, or calls a deathly 3-state as a 2-state, or addresss arab muslims as palestinians - they are speaking the worst form of genocide inclined falsehoods in Geo-History. The truth will do the reverse of setting them free. Denying truth has a use-by date - it is merely a test.