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Are there guns in the Defence gun cupboard for the citizens?

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"Any invasion of Australia requires an anphibious task force?"...

Any invasion of Australia really... intially... needs just a number of jumbo jets coverted to carry paratroopers.
Within in hours paratroopers are dropping all over the north and no one can do anything about it.

Every vision or prophecy from The Lord that Ive seen says that the invader got here.
Many years ago I knew this lovely christian lady pentecostal pastor who had a vision of paratroopers coming down just north of Mt. Isa and the roads clogged with people trying to escape.
When she awoke at the end of the vision she said The Lord spoke to her and simply said "TWO BABY GIRLS".
That very day two baby girls were born into her family, one two weeks late and the other the day she was due.
This was the confirmation that one day paras would come to that part of northern Australia.
This wonderful revelation I sent to the Australian Defence Department and they sent it on to their intelligence section for analysis.
Every revelation Ive come across spoke in someway or other about the sins of the people as to why God might Allow an invasion.
I think theres a few years yet though...though not too many.
A nation turning back to Jesus Christ will remove much of the weight of such an event.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 10:58:49 AM
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Gibo,

Thats absolute bollocks. There is just no way that Jumbo jets full of paratroopers is a realistic method of invasion of this country.

I don't care what your prophecies say, its just totally infeasible. Once the first one or two landed, all other planes would be ordered out of the sky and any from overseas would be sent home. With the airforce, navy and army all possessing anti aircraft missiles, the Jumbos wouldn't stand a chance.

So once these paratroopers had taken a couple of airports what would they do then? No reinforcements could arrive whilst there was still an RAAF in existence. They would be surrounded and forced to surrender or would be wiped out piecmeal. There is no way you could sustain an air bridge without first defeating the RAAF. And that would take some considerable effort because Australia is a big country and there are a lot of places to park your jet which are out of reach. Once hostilities had started there is NO WAY a jet load of paratroopers gets in. NONE.

This is a preposterous idea that you clearly haven't thought through. I think you've seen "a bridge too far" too many times, or perhaps not enough, I'm not sure. Our circumstances today bear absolutely no resemblance to the situation in Crete in 1942.

I suggest you seek the help of a medical practitioner if you are actually seeing things which aren't there.
Posted by Paul.L, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 11:23:52 AM
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Yeh...its easy done.
Russia and China "touch" the mighty USA and in the same week Chinas paras come.
No one knows at this very moment, I reckon, where all of Chinas commercial jets are parked... what maintenance or conversion they are undergoing.
Im staying with those prophecies which say the enemy gets here and there is no other nation to stop them.
Ever seen A.C.Valdez's 1929 vision. Theres plenty similar.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 11:46:22 AM
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individual, if by 'those morons who gets a kick out of firing a 38 at a piece of paper ' you mean target shooters, that's quite a moronic statement. While I've never shot an animal (and you appear to want to shoot wild pigs), I enjoy target shooting. Does that make me a moron?

Paul L, I am for arming civilians, but only after proper training - Swiss style. As for Steyr vs SLR, I can only comment on what some RAAF and army friends have told me. I left the forces around the time the Steyr was replacing the SLR so I don't have personal experience. Maybe if I had, I would change my view - maybe not.

While the Swiss banks may have saved them, neutrality didn't come into the equation. Think Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg.
Posted by Austin Powerless, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 6:40:55 PM
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Good evening to all you good folk...

I thought I'd offer a comment or two, at the proposition - in the event of an invasion of this great country, civil shooters (particularly members of gun clubs) could/should be marshalled into a VDC (Volunteer Defence Corps) type of a 'First Response Force'.

In the days of 'big bore' military rifle clubs, I myself, was a member of Hurstville VDC (1956 -'63) Rifle Club. We used (exclusively) SMLE's (in .303 calibre) either, No. 1 Mk.3's or No.4's. Then, bona fide members were permitted to purchase from the Govt. a brand new SMLE at, 3 or 4 pounds, total !

An appropriate aperture sight needed to be fitted (Central, Rawson or Parker Hale et al) generally costing 25 to 45 Pounds, including,some initial bedding and fitting.
There were quite a number of other minor modifications needed, in order to shoot competitively. Apart from this, you were on you way, so to speak.

Munitions were quite cheap too (can't remember, I'm sorry), and were heavily subsidised by the Govt.

I belonged to the club for a fairly short period, resigning when I joined the regular Army. Later, I joined the Army Rifle Team, using the L1A1's in 7.62mm calibre. When sent to South Vietnam, we were initially issued with L1A1's also. In country, they took our SLR's and gave us the Colt Mfg. M16 in 5.56mm calibre, a much lighter with less felt recoil, assault rifle.

I know you folk don't want to hear my dreary, boring tale. However, I just wanted to illustrate what Governments' can do, IF they have the will to do so ! Somebody cited the Swiss as a nation who continually implement Military Preparedness, by on-going training of every able bodied adult male, in basic military protocols. If they can do it, so can we, and at very little cost I believe.

Anyway, that's my two bob's worth !
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 17 July 2008 8:28:09 PM
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I was talking to a mate from Cairns last night who belongs to a gun club and has several rifles, and he was saying that many gun clubbers really believe that One World Government has its nose in the gun scene out here by encouraging tighter restrictions, even making it harder for gunsmiths to continue their profession.
He felt that the gunsmiths are getting so much legislative weight put upon them that they are under threat of going the way of the dinosaurs. Many of the gun clubbers feel that conspiracy exists to take their guns off them. I see no real evidence though...though Im always suspicious of OWG. I dont, for instance, think anyone engineered Pt Arthur like some do to get the guns off the people.

Anyway...if youre doing nothing perhaps you might tell others about the hole mentioned in the title of this thread.
You might write to the PM about it...though if he's really keen to see Australia closer to China maybe he wont want an increase in gun numbers (Im always suspcious of Labor. Did all of them really let go of the old Red communist thing when the Berlin Wall went down?).
The visions Ive collected since the late 1980's all paint a clear picture of enemy soldiers on Australian soil (all of our planes, submarines and ships were to no avail)... a clear picture of paratroopers, at least one amphibian landing, air attacks and land battles, towsna ablaze, the people flooding south into southern states and just about everyone conscripted. Its pretty bleak.
Only the very old and the very young escape the resistance.
I believe those visions and prophecies, as do many other born again christians.
They all mention the sins of the people as to why God permits it. Interesting isnt it?
God turns a nation over to its enemies because of the sins of its people.
HE sure has done that many, many times.
Posted by Gibo, Friday, 18 July 2008 7:53:15 AM
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