"Are there guns in the Defence gun cupboard for the citizens?"

Yeah, you have to beat someone to death to get theirs.

The only way you'll get a gun as a citizen off a government is if you start a revolution and an agenda driven third party takes an interest.

...or you join the army when the SHTF.

Why do you want a gun anyway Gibo?. You keep telling us your bible is the answer to it all.

If you read what I wrote StG you would see I dont want a gun.
Im just pointing to a hole in national defence that has been there for many years.

If we want either Indonesia down here looking to incorporate us into their dream of "South Irian" or China down here looking for their dream of "New South China", we do nothing to fill that hole.

Oh that's right. China's your new 'Muslim hordes'. No need to worry old man, you'll be dust by the time they run out of land and come looking for yours.

The military actually DO have a strategy Gibo. The 'Home Guard' died with Dubya Dubya 2. It's called the reserves now.....actually, the SES was created for that purpose but took on the role of disaster relief and search and rescue and such.

Your role in some sorta invasion will be 'collateral damage' or a 'refugee'. The other option is to purchase weapons under the guise of 'sport', or 'hobby' in an survivalist type setup. The government don't want the masses to even own pump action shotties, the chances of us getting our hands on assault rifles and grenades is kinda....zero. Although, the strategy of the insurgents in Iraq was rather effective. With our backs against the wall of parliament house in Canberra they just start handing out Semtex and ball bearings.

Good luck.

As a tip, shove your bible down the front of your duds. That may be the way it'll save you.

Long one short, Gibo. The government don't have stockpiles of guns. They can't even give our soldiers a decent gun.

An army friend said the Austyrs were inferior. They are far too short for his powerful arms and he cant fire it properly. What shocking state the nations defences are in.
Its almost as if someone was working to get that Defence down to a defunct level.
Sedition has been happening somewhere. Either that or idiocy.
Im for allowing the yanks to take over.
Australia simply cant defend herself against whats coming out of asia in a few years.

With regards to the Styer it is a good weapon.
whether you have short or long arms.

The army was downsized during the last labor government and has been going through rebuilding whilst libs were in.

You would also find that conditions had been taken away due to labor policy.

Putting guns or weapons into the hands of the people ,yeah right.

Remember they go bang and do kill people if handled the wrong way.

You would also find that since the buy back many who were shooters were ex defence.

So with defending this country what a joke, maybe we can yell at them about OH&S and rights.

We know who the enemy is but hey thats life.

I never said put guns in the hands of the people.
Train up the gun clubbers etc and when its time for China/Indonesia to come marching over the hill... then issue the guns.
But we have to have them first.