tapp>"Putting guns or weapons into the hands of the people ,yeah right."

Since when was "yeah right" an argument? No, really.

tapp>"Remember they go bang and do kill people if handled the wrong way."

Remember cars go bang and kill people if handled the wrong way.. Hang on a second, cars kill thousands of people and they are ubiquitous.

Honestly if you have objections to guns for such reasons then you are not helping Australia to become properly administrated. Chainsmoker had a point and it's a difficult question, but I believe that there is a reasonable solution.

You may not know but i am a registered gun owner, and smallbore target shooter.

So guns dont bother me.

I have people in my area that are scared of a rifle case but dont have a problem with someone carrying around a speargun.

Then we have the idiots on the road.

It is the perception.

So what does defence have in the cupboard.

Lets see i started of with the 7.62SLR and then went to the 5.56 steyer.

With the yeah right comment could you see the people out their even letting something like this happen, yeah right.

People much prefer to roll over and take it up the rear end than stand up forthemselves.

Sounds just like voting time.

YeahRight Boys.

Gibbo, you maniac.

Tapp,

Ever since you emailed me with your paranoid delusions that I was a spy, I had your number.

As a former soldier with plenty of experience as a section commander in peace and war operations in recent theaters, "in country".

I feel categorically and informationally aware to beable to comment on Gibbos irrational blast on home defence.

For starters matey, if you and the wombat patrol ie "gun nutters" are the last line of defence then we are truly #^%&*(.

The last thing a co ordinated fighting force needs is a rabble of undisciplined patriots stuffing up the game plan. It is couterproductive to what is a complex battle plan where sacrifices should and must happen to save the majority.

High tech weaponary in this day and age makes the infantryman only good for holding ground once the serious business of tactical abilities has been dealt with.

Once infantry has been spotted by a modern day main battle tank his battle field survivability is around eight seconds.

Be better for everyone if people helped the young and old to safety before the battle begins.

And OH the steyer is a good weapon when kept clean. Your mate with fat arms is probably a Q'ey. with bugger all experience as most who put crap on the kit they have know idea `aout.

SCOTTY is back

The reason for the thread chappies was to draw attention to the hole in Defence...i.e. no guns in the cupboard to hand out to the citizens if China breaks out.
(I dont think Defence has published any booklets yet either for the citizens on how to train a home guard army)
I want that hole filled for a fair and reasonable opportunity to defend Australia under the circumstances of those days.
You also have to remember where Im coming from...and thats 16 years or so of collecting revelations from the Christian churches of an enemy down in this part of the Pacific.
Heaps of us christians believe those visions and prophecies.
The enemy gets here...we dont stop that...but we can lift the load off those days with better defence prep now.

Gibo said: "Australia simply cant defend herself against whats coming out of asia in a few years."

Can't agree with that....militarily speaking. Don't wanna turn this thread into a military debate, but whether they get them on the southern coast of Indonesia or give up the top end first then cut their supply lines, they can defend...

Paul L, your statement 'an armed civilian is more dangerous to himself and his family than anything else' is absolute rubbish.

I am a member of a shooting club and have kept pistols and rifles at home for years. Never has anyone been in any danger. A woman driving a 4WD just missed running into me a couple of hours ago so would you say that 'a female 4WD driver is more dangerous to herself and her family (and the public) than anything else'?

Swiss civilians are issued with a semi-auto rifle after training and keep it at home. Ever wonder why Germany never invaded there?

As for Steyr vs SLR, I was trained in the use of the SLR and most others who did the same say it is superior to the Steyr.

But the general basis of the thread is correct, there is no special cache of weapons to issue if we are invaded. Look at all the rifles, pistols and shotguns that were destroyed in thye confiscations (some people call them buy-backs). Ridiculous.