StevenlMeyer started a thread, "Cuckoo men," which gave me the idea for this thread.

So I googled, "Older women - younger men," and came across this website:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/05/earlyshow/main2651142.shtml

It tells us,"Since the beginning of time women have been basically valued for their youth, their beauty, and men have been valued for their ability to provide for a family. But now so many women have great, thriving careers they just really don't need men the way they used to."

Examples are given, 44 year old Demi Moore - married to 29 year old Ashton Kutcher. 40 year old Halli Berry and 31 year old Gabriel Aubry.
There is a 17 year gap between actress Susan Sarandon and actor Tim Robbins, and the list goes on.

"When it becomes celebrity driven, it becomes acceptable to everybody."

And...

"It just means these women are taking what they want...it's about time. Men have done it forever..."

Any thoughts?

Yep..I have a thought, I'd like to think it's nothing to do with 'women taking what they want' and everything to do with "people falling in love and not worrying about the age difference".

Marriage shouldn't be based on either men or women 'taking what they want' because if it is, I don't feel it will last.

blessings:)

Dvaid, a rare thing for me to think but well said.

R0bert

>"and everything to do with people falling in love."

Ironic BOAZ, considering your views on gay marriage.

Fully agree with you, Boaz David, well said.
Age is not important in the face of love.

Steel is right though- why wouldn't the same go for homosexual couples?

Lighten up people - this is meant to be taken with a bit of 'tongue-in-cheek.' ('What good for the gander ...')

Go into the website that I've listed in my first post - and read some of the comments ...

As one lady said, "...While I'm not ready for and do not relish 20 somethings or even most 30 somethings - I can see why some women go that route - just like women, men need to realize they are as old as they feel and act and reflect. With many men acting like aging babies or petulant kids and with a libido that may need drugs to be effective, look for man more 'cougars' to go after 'cubs.'"

Foxy you've missed the historical significance of David's post.

- He has made a post which does not appear to attack Islam.
- He has made a post with no obvious lead in to an attack in other peoples morals or values.
- He has made a post with no direct call for us to change and follow his faith.
- He has made a post which recognises the value of love in a relationship.
- He has made a post which is brief and to the point post.

Individual posts from David often have one or two of the above elements but to get the lot in one go is significant.
It may have happeened before but if so it's a rarety and worthy of the recognition it deserves.

R0bert

So, some women, particularly rich & famous fading beauties, can have a mid life crisis, just like some men can. Rich, if not particularly famous, men appear also to be more subject to this behavior.

David, I'll bet that most, of these relationships, last about as long as they do, for most men.

Dear Foxy

Haven't women come a long way since the disgraceful "Cat and Mouse" Act, despite "progress" taking some 95 years?

http://www.answers.com/topic/cat-and-mouse-act?cat=biz-fin

I believe it's as easy to fall for a younger person than an older one - just ask the male who's been doing it for eons.

And who would desire a return to our Mum's era where women knew their place and kept it - or else!

"It just means these women are taking what they want...it's about time. Men have done it forever..."

Err Foxy, I can't see a problem in men giving women what they want,
its just that women also want those difficult things like
commitment etc :)

Now this is more like it...

Keep it coming, love it!

Foxy: "'It just means these women are taking what they want...it's about time. Men have done it forever'...Any thoughts?"

Yeah,
feminists have decried, ridiculed and rejected
the practice of older men
dating younger women
for decades

why should it become
an acceptable practice
just because women start doing it?

surely big age differences
between lovers
are either acceptable or unacceptable
irrespective of the sex of the participants

If a practice is unacceptable
when men do it
surely it should be unacceptable
when women do it
and if it is acceptable
when women do it
surely it must be acceptable
when men do it

it looks like just another case
of feminist double-standards:ie
if men do it
it is unacceptable
if women do it
it is fine
and this is just another discrimination
on the basis of sex
and wasnt that what feminism
was supposed to be fighting?

for myself I dont give a toss
one way or the other
for either sex
but at least
I treat both sexes the same

If an older woman were to come running after me, I would suspect it was only because she needed someone to oil the wheels of her walking frame.

I will stick with the younger flesh, it bounces more than it sags.

'Older women are dating younger men - and the men are loving it!'
Of course they are. When we have reduced the human body to mere sex objects then anything goes. Boys/Men, men/girls, girls/girls boys/boys. When life is only about the pleasure of the moment men and women think only of themselves and not for anything else. I am sure 25 year old kids must be proud of their mums having it off with their mates or a 50 year old father having it off with their 18 year old daughters best friend. Yes they are doing it and 'loving it'.

Dear Robert,

You're absolutely right. Bouquets to David!

Dear Col,

Not all of it sags... I'm sure Sophia Loren could park her
slippers under your bed. Or Joan Collins or Helen Mirren...
Perhaps?

Dear Rob,

I agree with you. If it's good enough for the gander...
If Hugh Hefner, Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, et al, can
do it, why not - Susan Sarandon, Demi Moore, and others?

Why is it that when men do it, they're considered 'virile.'
Yet when a woman does - she's a nymphomaniac. With men it's
healthy, with women it's a disease...

And why are women accused of being 'feminists' every time they stop acting like doormats?

I too, like you, believe in equality of the sexes - but I don't go around 'labelling,' people. Why do you?

*Of course they are. When we have reduced the human body to mere sex objects then anything goes.*

Not so runner, we always tell them that we will respect them
in the morning :)

"We always tell them that we will respect them in the morning :)"

Ooh - how very condescending and reminiscent of a male dominated society. And is this not good reason for the new 21st century woman to abandon the patronising old fogey and hang out with the more evolved and youthful male?

Foxy “I'm sure Sophia Loren could park her
slippers under your bed. Or Joan Collins”

Oh certainly, not so sure about Helen Mirren

And although she is younger than me, Madonna
will always find a welcome too, I just admire her
“One off”-ness.

On reflection over the years I have been
twice married, each time to ladies a
little older than myself.

I have taken lovers between two years
older than me and 15 years younger and
am presently engaged to a lady 4 years my junior.

If it were only ever about ‘age’ my
life would be a far duller experience.

Unlike some, I did take your post “tongue
in cheek” but not before recognising what
a wonderfully versatile and erotic organ the
tongue actually is.

Hi all

Great thread. Yabby, lovely to see some real humour from you. Tell me, do the women respect YOU in the morning?

Personally, I prefer older men. I like a man who knows what he's doing. Younger ones are all about "me, me, me".

Cheers
Nicky

Dear Col Rouge,

"Ah, I have no tongue to answer..."

Except to say,

"If there is goodness in your heart,
It will come to your tongue." :)

Nicky, I don't really care if they respect me in the morning lol,
especially if they are young and cute.

Women seem to change over time. In their teens-twenties, they
have fun for the sake of having fun, to much alchohol, whatever.
In their 30s-40s they become calculating, they have an agenda and
usually want something. Sadly marriage today has turned into
big business.

Dickie, you are of course free to find yourself a toy-boy, but
usually they don't come cheap, so you'd need a big cheque book.

Sports cars and other entertainment need to be paid for. In
the end, you'll be competing with much younger models then yourself,
so you'll need some reasons for him to stick around and pay you
attention.

Some older women can afford their toy boys, but bone creakers are
not usually associated with desirability by most males.

"Dickie, you are of course free to find yourself a toy-boy, but
usually they don't come cheap, so you'd need a big cheque book."

Ah..... you're a jealous old bugger Yabby. My toy-boy's bank balance is more than adequate.

Quite frankly my dear, I would have to reject your advances since muttering, mobile cadavers aren't my scene.

Better to rob the cradle than the grave eh old timer?!

ROFL Dickie, I am much younger then you. Young enough to be
your toy boy, but I'm not into bone creakers. You've previously
admitted to being one of OLOs oldest posters.

Great to hear that you are keeping your toy-boy's bank balance
topped up, he might then stick around for a bit :)

Foxy,

'Why is it that when men do it, they're considered 'virile.'
Yet when a woman does - she's a nymphomaniac. With men it's
healthy, with women it's a disease...
'

Well it goes hand in hand with the many women who purport to be morally superior to men, in not being driven by base motives like sex. I think you'll find it's actually more likely women who would hold the supposed double standard above. It's not a commonly held view of men, it's more women judging each other.

Anyway, note my topic on the age of consent. It was pretty well accepted by all
35yo woman and 15yo boy = Wonderful for the guy to have mature woman to teach him sensual love
35yo man and 15yo girl = Dirty old man abuses innocent girl.

My shock at finding myself agreeing with BD has just aged me 20 years.

It's entirely possible that I am now too old to be bothering with such trivialities, although a younger person could come in handy when I misplace my teeth.

Dear Usual Suspect,

I guess we can only speak from our own experiences. You from yours, me from mine.

But, if we really listen to each other - then perhaps we'll learn something - right?

Anyway, let's hope that our children won't have our baggage to carry...

I feel that this thread has just about run
its course.

It's been fun - and Thanks for all
your responses. They've been interesting.

As I explained in my opening post
StevenlMeyer gave me the idea for
this thread with his earlier one
entitled, "Cuckoo men."

This just goes to show - that as
David pointed out - 'It's love that
makes the world go 'round.' Or does it?

I'd like to quote
from the website I gave at the beginning of
this thread...

"Canadian author Valerie Gibson,
who wrote the book, "Cougar: A Guide for Older Women
Dating Younger Men." A cougar is a very sophisticated,
a very attractive, a very sensually-aware woman, very much
in control of her life. She's got a lot of energy.
Today they're very fit, they're very healthy. They're
very successful, very independent and sophisticated.
The cougar-cub relationship is a perfect fit for all kinds
of couples."

I guess that description,
describing women 'cougars' could
also apply to men.

Perhaps age doesn't come into the equation after all,
it's all a question of how you look and feel,
and your personal
perception of things...

And, as Yabby said, a good cheque book, also helps...

I've just fined reading -'The Book of the Courtesans' by Susan Griffin -here's an excerpt:

"As the story is told, the young man could not fathom why everyone raved about Ninon de Lenclos(a famous courtesan). Her fabled powers of seduction would have no effect on him he boasted to a friend.

'What appeal can a woman of her age possibly have?' he asked.
So it was that his friend, who had been a lover of Ninon, proposed a wager,betting his friend he could not resist her charms. Ninon who was delighted to accept the challenge, agreed to a meeting...

What was it she did? We can only surmise what took place between them...(but) in the end the young man lost his bet...(he) began to pursue her with an unmistakeable ardor.

She put him off for a while and when finally she agreed to be his lover she said he would have to wait for one month and a day. He agreed eagerly, counting off the hours until their appointed time. When the day arrived, she was good for her word. Happy in her arms at last he asked her why she had made him wait for exactly a month and a day.

'Because today is my birthday,' she answered, 'and I wanted to prove to myself that at the age of seventy, I am still capable of entertaining a lover'"

Dream on, granfriend!

Foxy you've just proved my point.

' A cougar is a very sophisticated,
a very attractive, a very sensually-aware woman, very much
in control of her life. She's got a lot of energy.
Today they're very fit, they're very healthy. They're
very successful, very independent and sophisticated.
The cougar-cub relationship is a perfect fit for all kinds
of couples."
'

Can you imagine, even in your wildest dreams, that passage being written to describe an older man with a young girl? Most references to older men in this context go along the lines of sad old bastard, balding with pot belly, red sports car compensating for something, 'preying' on young girls for dirty sex.

"Amor vincit omnia" - that timeless phrase which cuts the ribbons of most known barriers.

Just because one or the other in the relationship/act of procreation/sexual union...is older does not neccesarily import a greater knowledge.

I know several couples who are up to 20 yrs apart in age - the 'cougars' who are the basis of the topic being discussed, and they will quite freely admit their previous sex lives were dead. But have since learnt much from their younger partners, and vice a versa. In their own words _ "...we felt liberated from our pasts...learnt about another person and our own bodies in ways we never thought existed from our previous relationships..."

No it's not the "...age thing..." per se, and that needs to be debunked, but the mindset and attitude of being open and receptive to new ideas, and (for me) not being selfish about what is on offer.

Love is good, lust also is a healthy human element, but all in balance and moderation.

Usual Suspect

My daughter, happily married to a wonderful guy, describes these "sad old bastards" as "Creepius Pervertus!"

Aw.....that's not very nice is it - naughty girl!

Dear Horus,

Beautiful Tale.

Thank You, I loved it!

Dear Seeker,

I read somewhere that,

"If we don't learn to dream we are doomed
to merely follow where others have already been.
We are condemned to lead a second-hand life."

Dear Usual Suspect,

You might be interested in the following website:

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/old-men-chasing-young-women-good-thing-14203.html

Of course the passage I gave in my earlier post could have been written about men as well. How could you even ask that? We're all individuals - and it all depends on the people involved. How they look and feel et cetera. We've also got enough exaamples of men that
are not only dating younger women - but have married them. Famous examples like, Rod Stewart, David Letterman, Warren Beatty, then there's - Harrison Ford, Kevin Costner, and of course Bruce Willis,
Hugh Hefner, Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, the list goes on. Pablo Picasso - imposed no restrictions on himself. Then there's the President of France... Putin favours younger women. Then, there was also - Pavarotti...

It's a question of choice. And that's how it should be!

I

Dear Albie,

It is the mind-set and attitude that
needs to be de-bunked.
Not the 'Age.'

I fully agree!

Hey guys, that's a bit unfair. There are LOTS of incredibly attractive older men, who are successful, wealthy and have the intelligence and education to match. Interesting thread though,

Cheers
Nicky

*My daughter, happily married to a wonderful guy, describes these "sad old bastards" as "Creepius Pervertus!"*

I guess when your daughter one day becomes a sad old bitch,
she will have to think of a suitable name for herself :)

Dear Yabby,

Come on,

As I told another poster,

Hopefully our children won't carry our baggage.

What can we give this beautiful new generation?

The unwanted gift of our experience?

I don't think so.

Perhaps only the right to make the same mistakes
and afterward
not saying,
"I told you so!

Dear Foxy,

Oh I carry no baggage lol. The thread was going quite
well until along came Dickie, clearly a violent old
battle-axe! When her hatred for meat eating males
gets out of line, I tend to even the score. Clearly
its her baggage that is the problem.

Now a question for you. Is love based on self interest
or not?

"I guess when your daughter one day becomes a sad old bitch,
she will have to think of a suitable name for herself."

Dear me perhaps poor old Yabby is bitter because he's been discarded for a younger stud eh?

"The thread was going quite well until along came Dickie, clearly a violent old battle-axe! When her hatred for meat eating males gets out of line, I tend to even the score. Clearly its her baggage that is the problem."

Goodness gracious me Yabby. What a testy old codger you are. Perhaps you're a Creepius Paranoius?

Well as my dear children advise:

"Mum, there's a real meat market out there" so there you go Yabby - engage in the "meat market," snare yourself a young'n and get a smile on ya dial.

Don't forget the after-shave and clean undies now - oh and bryllcream for the comb-over. Keep it under the pillow for easy access. You wouldn't want to scare them off in the morning, would you?

PS: My toyboy's a "meat eating male" and he's not creepy, so please explain?

Go, Dickie! Well done. (My "toy boy" - I have to use the term a bit loosely though - is a meat eater as well).

Cheers
Nicky

Hehe, this sounds like straight out of "Desperate Housewives" :)

So our two trusty crusaders, who spew their venom about the evils
of livestock farming and eating meat, all over the OLO animal welfare
threads, can't even find veggie boyfriends?

Clearly your campaign to end farming and meat eating is not doing
so well, if even the toyboy is not convinced!

Foxy

Fair Lady. Theres nothing like the dry humour of a farmer. I was waiting for that one. They walked right into it.

Yabbys 100% right.- Very funny Yabbs.

Yep you never know they might even be the two blokes that emailed looking for box orders and asked about the chance to go on a farmer wants a wife.

We wrote back and told them to check out Foxys other thread on the forum but use bodgey names like their veggie friends do:)

Dear Yabbs,

There you go.

This thread has now picked up - hasn't it?

We all need a good laugh.

I wish I could think of something
clever to say - or think of an appropriate
joke. But you guys are doing so well
I'll just leave it to you.

Dear Foxy

I've so enjoyed this thread - that is until 'im indoors galloped in on the land army's donkey - hee haw hee haw!

Anyhow dear Foxy, I've tried to be helpful with these lonely old people but it appears 'im indoor's gopher got a flat last night, right in the middle of the "meat market" and they ripped off his comb-over and he had to catch the bus home - luckily 'im indoors had his pension card on him. Anyway that's why he's a bit liverish this morning.

Foxy, be a dear and let 'im doors know that I spied a couple of gorgeous young chicks tearing around on his gopher this morning and I've called in the fuzz.

Undeterred Foxy, Toyboy and I have arranged for the community coach to collect 'im indoors at the Pensioners' Lodge, to transport him to the "Grab a Granny's Bar" at Applecross. The lovely mature ladies have offered to pay for the Sao bikkies and cheese if he could buy the shooters. We did advise we thought he'd fired his last bullet, however, they were too polite (and desperate) to comment.

Toyboy and I also took the opportunity to warn the senior cit. ladies that 'im indoors is most anxious to get his end away, therefore he may have to rely on one of their walking frames. "Easy peasy," they chortled.

In the meantime, Toyboy and I will see what we can do for First Constable Cut-throat from the Land Army, but you know, she has a face only a Mother could love, nevertheless, every donkey has its worth eh?

Affectionately yours in earnest

Molly Molesworth

They always have,vice versa, anything goes these days.
those ladies will get to 60 and have nothing left but memories to have a fiddle with. Ah well, longs they are enjoying the time they have here on earth! Relationships aren't based on what grandma and grandad had nowadays, I'm sure a very few have that in this time of existence, if they do well good on them, society teaches to look after number 1 in the early 2000's, all else is just a speedbump..... apparently!