So Fractelle's eminently pragmatic ideas on relationships are of "paradise", and "the garden of Eden"? Strange then that Vanilla's account of her own happy relationship managed to tally pretty much with the values Fractelle expressed (and that I agreed with too). I've actually heard a couple of other posters voice similar sentiments (I think Robert was one?)at different threads.


Even then BD couldn't resist the temptation to insert the worm in the apple by claiming (and considering he knows neither Vanilla, Fractelle or me this is a true modern-day miracle, folks)that what was really meant was "as long as it goes my way, all that is true". As an "expert" in interpreting texts, BD, old son, I suggest you do some research on the texts in question and their relationship to previous posts by the said posters and come up with one single remark backing that sour-grapes claim.

Nah, face it, BD, we from "the dark side" seem to have it all over you women-should-cover-their-hair-and-recognise-men-as-superior mob in the relationship stakes, huh?

Oh, and "That time" you were being a stirrer? That, rather than any real or honest attempts at exchanging ideas, seems to be your predominant motive on all threads. But, in this case, (as in most others) I ask, simply, "Why?" What could possibly be the motive behind a mature adult - a mature Christian adult at that - jumping in and disrupting things when they have nothing whatsoever to contribute?

Vanilla - a "total fiery-headed spunk"? Gonna get that framed, girl.

Femininist still have a long long way to go.
Male Chauvenism and Capitalism is still blocking their path.
Women have come a long long way since say 1910 and the suffragette movement acheived a great deal and so did the likes of OZZY Germaine Greer campaigning in Britain. Feminist do not need to be feminine the question does seem to be patronising. Feminist have plenty to do within their religious beliefs especially Moslems, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah Witness and many other beliefs. They are still classed as the appendage for lack of a better word. After all they were created from Adams rib.
It was Socialist men that strengthened the Femininist cause and equality had to be legislated women alone would never have done this on their own as slavery would never had been abolished without the help of progressives and reformers.

Vanilla>"On the other hand, you have, in the past, not only disagreed with my arguments but also suggested — several times — that you reckon I'm a bit of a der-brain in general. (I can provide examples if necessary.)"

Vanilla I found your response balanced and thoughtful, but i thought i retracted that at the time-Your comment here demonstrates that you are not. There is nothing wrong with being thick though if you have more sense and insight than another who isn't. Still there are articles on OLO and elsewhere that indicate it isn't people like you in the feminist movement who have the most influence (you probably have no interest) and are trying to continue to manipulate society to their favour and to fit with their agenda.

Is it possible to be a feminist and be feminine? Of course it is fighting for womens rights comes within entitlements and justice it has nothing to do with Gender. Pru Gower has been very quiet since she has represented the Coalition way of thinking her role now does not seem to be compatible with her previous job. The Iron Lady benefitted a lot from legislation and at times thought she was actually the Queen of England. Golda Mier was perhaps a great leader.Jane Fonda was a person to be admired during the sixties. Vanessa Redgrave was also prominent in politics and Yoko Ono inspired John Lennon. The Dixie Chicks are Feminine Feminists as an example. Burmas Truly elected leader is also a person to be revered and is extremely feminine and so was Ms Bhutto of Pakistan she should never be forgotten. Can we name any more ? Feminine Feminist

Steel, I'm sure other posters will be the judge of my thickness or otherwise, and our respective qualities in general. I was simply letting you know that I'm very clear about what you think of me. What i think of you remains a delicate secret.

Given you don't know who I am I don't know why you're so sure I have no influence in the feminist movement. Okay, I'm not saying I'm a mover and shaker, but I have been a consultant to government departments. I'm certainly not in the Cathy Lumby league, but on the other hand, there are a lot of feminists whose attitudes you probably disagree with who contribute to OLO who are phd candidates and have zero impact on actual policy.

Let's name names. Who are the feminists you believe are influencing government?

Vanilla>"I was simply letting you know that I'm very clear about what you think of me."

I don't know why you keep raising that point. You seem more clearer about what I think of you than myself :)

Vanilla>"What i think of you remains a delicate secret."

I can probably guess now considering your not so delicate statement.

Vanilla>"Let's name names. Who are the feminists you believe are influencing government?"

I don't know...I did say society not government, earlier.