See and there I was thinking Seeker would get hounded for talking about men in a feminist thread. Maybe he's part of the gang:-)

Woops, I missed pelican's green light. 'Men please feel free to add your comments – they will be welcome too. :)
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Ah, now we have equality.

Yet if a woman gets pregnant and the potential father desperately wants the child, there is nothing he can do.

There's good and bad power, almost as in arm wrestling the strongest wins mostly. But I've seen the stratergy of will overcome more often than I thought possible.
I have lived happily with strong feminism, and mostly enjoyed it, in a perverse fashion. I found it hard to read the objective, and understand it, too late did I learn to lay and enjoy the ceiling!
Now I'm too old to care and choose to live alone, a committee of one so to speak.
A woman with power that is deserved and justified is no less feminine just more capable, in my experience and I loved then all.
If they too are physically strong it's a bonus, and of course I now cook and clean as needed, this is of course as "I" see it needed.

I learned so much about myself thru their wisdom, tuition and frankness, it is invaluable knowledge, noway was feminism compromised.
A lot of that though is perception as in the individual self?
Most interesting blog and comment, thanks.
fluff4

Foxy, "Does anyone question a man - whether he can still be
masculine if he stands up for his rights?"

Sometimes yes. I've had my masculinity questioned on this site for raising the plight of men with violent spouses. I've seen similar against other men standing up for various "mens rights" issues. Terms like "grow some balls" have been tossed around.

The question could also be asked about masculinity and showing a sensitive side.

Enough women still seem to like the Bad Boy/tough guy image that the answer is not always clear.

There is value in discussions like this, it's worth thinking about what we value and how it translates into our lives.

R0bert

On the topic of violence R0bert, i found this intersting (but not unsurprising considering my distaste of feminism's inherent destructiveness)...

How the Research Showing Women Are as Complicit in Family Violence as Men Has Been Suppressed
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2214

I wonder how far this has gone in Australia.....We do have a predominance of feminists and the sexist and discrimnatory Office for Women and Federal Minister for Women's Interest.

Steel, some of the fiercest opposition comes from paternalists. Those who cherish the old gender roles which for those still clinging to them rely on women being good nurturers, submissive and possibly a bit dim. Especially the ones who will attack a males masculinity over issues like this.

My comment was in relation to Foxy's question rather than attempt to sidetrack this discussion into a DV discussion. I think parts of the mens movement have suffered greatly by a dogged insistence on attacking feminism as a whole rather than recognising that many of the issues men face are a result of paternalistic thinking.

Rather than working with equality feminists many have continually lumped all feminists in the same boat.

R0bert

Dear Robert,

Thank you for responding to my question. I'm hoping that the day will eventually come when we no longer have to deal with labels, but can look beyond, to each other's individuality.

That, as Vanilla pointed out - it will come down to a question of choice - and the choice will be ours to make - freely.

Men and Women alike will no longer feel the pressure of having to conform to some stereotype image.