Vetman, it’s a good thing to refuse to treat sheep inhumanely for anyone (are muslims or non-muslims.)

However, it is a bit ironic that we, Westerners, blame Islam for some of our problems, seeing that the Christian churches do absolutely nothing to try to stop live exports. So much for compassion!
I have not seen a religious, church going person on the animal Welfare articles- Where the hell are they?

Wendy, in another post (Legal abuse of animals) has shown us an interesting article about Muslims against cruel treatment in an article, here’s the link: http://www.animalsaustralia.org/default2.asp?idL1=1272&idL2=1865&idL3=1895

In short, if you don’t want to read the whole article: “…Muslims in the Middle Eastern countries readily accept frozen and chilled lamb and mutton from Australia, once it is Halal certified under the program.”

And: “Dr Ali said that the Australian Muslims does not support the cruel treatment of animals prior to slaughter, that has been documented in Egypt as the Qur'an dictates that animals should be treated with kindness.”

Now, that’s a great thing! If Australians still decide to export live stock, well, at least they can blame themselves, not the whole Islam.
PS I am neither a muslim nor a Christian- trying to look at it objectively.

Yabby, you sound like a brainwashed Muslim yourself. Muslim parents are banning their children form music classes in primary school because music leads to dancing which leads to sex!! They are primary aged children. Learn their culture? I find their culture to be barbaric and offensive. I do not wish to learn to oppress women like slaves. I do not wish to be a terrorist. I do not wish to learn to be cruel to animals.
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Hey guys,
Vetman what can I say apart from your a legend mate .
Celivia I have to agree with vetman about the culture issue, They come to our country and dont adopt our culture in any way shape or form. The churches well I dont want to say to much about them as I cant stand them but they used to sacrafice animals so that shows how much compassion they are going to have.
We may decide to export and thats wrong in its own, If islam want to accept this then they to are still in the wrong especially the way they treat them when they arrive.

Yabby
No animal has to go through what they do whether it be from here to the north pole it doesnt make any difference.
Start with the problems here first then when they are solved u move on we cant fix a problem in another country that we havent delt with in our own.
Take them a while? Monkey see monkey do approach needs to be taken.
I dont know to much about whats going on with other countries and am learning more from wendys site have you had a look at it yabby?
Live exports need to stop all together not only here but everywhere we all agree on that.
Understanding there culture??
Culture has nothing to do with treating an animal cruely

Yabby.
Your pro live export agenda is getting a bit of a bore. Its not our job to teach the Koran. Its our leaders who need to address resposibilty HERE.
Muslim Leaders in Australia have asked as much in the interest of Animal Welfare themselves. THEY oppose live exports of Animals long distance travel.
Stop trying to make out to the readers of this forum your a big time live animal operator because its clear to me at least you know jack all.
We are going to tell them they are welcome to share in farms or invest in abattoirs along with us here. As you said on your earlier post they get around 90 mill a day from oil so if they want our meat they can buy it in a box. They certainly dont need to save pennies. If they want to come in as partners with farmers and put some of that oil money into being farmers producers exporters good for Australia not only regional propertys but everywhere.
Stop trying to tell people they cant invite business with live importors.
Also its the middle man who makes money. We are offering real alternatives to make farmers more inderpendant of the live ship people who export. We are taking back the control of our land, animals and exports. Its clear your not a live exporter of animals anyway. I have seen your forums on about birth control and everything under the sun. Whats clear is you wish to interupt this forum which had its set topics.
Bringing the live animal purchasers from Overseas to farm and produce here WITH the Australian Farmers is clearly the answer.
That is bloody good for animal Welfare, jobs and good relations working side by side with our own Muslim, HERE.

Isnt it strange that many of them also agree its too hard on the animals apart from destroying the meat quality. Do you even know what I am talking about. I dont think so.
I dont think you would know one end of a cow or sheep from another.

Ahh, we have three new posters on OLO today, all posting their first
posts on this thread. Methinks somebody is calling in the troups :)

With limited words, I shall answer what I can.

Vetman, if you think that I have any kind of religious affiliation,
you might be suprised, if you spend a little more time on here.
Your solution to dealing with the Middle East is much like that
of George Bush. Now look whats happened to George there! Think again.

Antje, my comments are only about the WA live export sheep trade.
You do what you want over East. Meantime stop trying to deny
WA farmers a living, you have put forward no better viable options.

Fact is that in the WA live sheep trade, only 3 companies matter
and Elders is no 3, far behind the other two. Fares, which they
bankrolled, went broke.

My posts are perfectly consistant. I welcome anyone to come
and build a meatworks in WA, in fact I encourage it and promote
it. The best way to facilitate that happening, is through Kim
Chance, who can facilitate it. That is good advice to anyone.
I welcome Arab investment or any investment. Meantime, 7 million
sheep need to go somewhere and meantime the live trade is the
salvation for many WA farmers, paying prices double what our
local meatworks will pay. Thousands of families depend on that
trade. But feel free to shoot me, as the messanger of the reality
in WA. I have debated with far more crazy people then you :)

Benny, I suggest that you read Cameron Morse's article on the
finding of his trip to Jordan. I have posted the link and
welcome informed comment on it.

Yabby,
I see your point I really do I used to work for Kevin fowler (you sound like you know EVERYTHING about WA but incase you dont Kevin supplys the live animals to Elders that are sent to Saudi Arabia) its these people we need to get in touch with about banning the live exports.

I think we need more E.G Greens and sons abboitiors that will pay farmers the right amount of money and stop the live export trade.
From what I know they went broke and Elders have taken over but again this is what we should be aiming at. Something simular where they dont loose out and get the same price maybe with a helping hand from this caring government... wishful thinking

You said to Antje you are only talking about WA but wasnt it you that posted we should be thinking about animals all over the world? Look past WA its happening all over australia Yabby.