Hi All
Warning all, here comes Rojoyabby. They will call you names and taunt you to get you off topic.
If you want to help Animals - Please 'ignore' them. Unless of course its on topic in regard to codes of practise.

Yvonne
Yes it is extraordinary, we agree but sadly true. "The only friends these Animals have are the public."

Good to see so many intending to write.

Yes it is possible to slaughter in Australia you are quite correct.

This is what the X President of The Australian Federation of Islamic Council and Councils had to say- when asking the Government and Media to be “ responsible` and tell the” truth”about the Real Reasons for the cruel live Animal Trade. please note put out in time to 'support Lyn White and Animals Australia.
http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

Bronwyn
Hello Yes I heard that story and wondered what sentence they will get- if any?

A Few months ago a women stole a Childs pet goat named Mandy.

She tortured and killed it in a Church. The Church and God forgave her- 'apparently'.( where`s Bozzie)

She said it was a "joke"

She got off. Not even a blemish on her record!?

The Attorney general, Police Commissioner, Kevin Rudd, Police Ministers office , and the Premiers office were all contacted by pale asking them to appeal. Rudd was up here that day.
"Nothing"

duckier,
A very interesting comment. I hope you stick around.
It is also important everyone to remember these codes are for ALL Animals many trucked interstate for local slaughter.

( Thanks for that link)

Fractelle
Thanks for putting in a sub and we hope you will comment in this thread. What do you think of starting a political party. I think AA would get a lot of support. Mind you we have no way of knowing if they would even consider. Thinking out loud.

pelican
Your absolutly right.

Muslim Animal Welfare groups. Lets face it how do these people feel when the Government blame them for their relgion! being reasonsible for such cruelty.

Its all Lies Lies lies - How insulting!

Pelican,
Of course the Government supports live exports because of the trade dollars involved in it. Even the low life’s that make their money out of creating misery which is quite uncalled for as the Muslim leaders themselves have stated openly tell you its not about the cargo.

Nicky
I hope you have a safe trip and return with your knowledge and information of what you have picked up on.
To all of your ladies and gentleman interested in this thread. =
To be really honest we would appreciate if you Dickey Nicky and others took over
'Again' yours and Dickys knowledge goes past mine unless I stop and read up information taking hours.

All of you are more qualified to answer questions to interested posters and members of the public.

And just before you again start Yabby – I never said pale knew it all. We all have something to offer which is why it’s so important we work together.

We do other things like work with farmers and Muslims leaders both here and in other countries. Your not talking to an office girl here I can assure you.
Which remind me everybody please excuses typo errors I have been breaking in the new speech soft wear...?

I know this sounds rude but often I talk while trying on another computer. We are that! busy.

rojo,
I welcome your comments about live exports and will be happy to point out later in this thread why "~you are very much mistaken~."

What comments do you have about codes of practice and transport etc to improve on Animal Welfare?

I am just as guilty I suppose of going off post. However let’s not divert this thread shall we?

Please give us your informed thoughts on the invitation to comment on codes and Animal Welfare. We look forward to it.

After all this is for 'all' Animals in Australia.



What did you think about the link Nicky ( I think) posted about the bloke at the abattoir sticking a electric prod up a animals anus and btw what happened about that?

Hi all
Just a quick one for now because I've just got home. Regarding the abattoir in Victoris where the sheep are being brutalised (electric prods up their anuses when they have nowhere to move to, and a sheep being left in a stunning box over the killing floor while the workers buggered off to lunch - you should watch the YouTube film, it is awful), it is, I'm told, a small, non-unionised slaughterhouse with a reputation, and unless the RSPCA goes in there, not a lot can be done. The AMIEU can't get in there. Similar atrocities are occurring at a pig slaughterhouse in WA, I'm told.

I think we can safely disregard Rojo's usual propaganda about a "legitimate trade". Any MoUs with importing countries are completely unenforceable, and only provide for animals to be off-loaded from ships anyway (and that is only in case there is another "Cormo Express" with its attendant publicity, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the animals). The only MoU additional to that was that second one with Egypt, and we saw how well that worked.

This sort of behaviour is entrenched in these countries. You only have to look at the photos of the children watching impassively the bull being tortured and butchered. That's how much influence Australia has, and ever will have, despite the spin by DAFF, and the likes of Rojo and Yabby.

The lack of a National Animal Welfare Act is what the WA magistrate was relying on in her ruling in the "Al Kuwait" case. There seems to be nowhere to go with that, although s118 of the Australian Constitution could be seen to contradict what she said (it provides for the State Governments' laws to be preserved and protected).

If enough people make sound comment on these proposed "standards", and DEMAND proper, enforceable and monitored conditions for these animals, we may make real progress towards a National Act - and we could demand an end to live exports that way.

Those are quick thoughts for tonight 'cause I'm pretty bushed.

Cheers
Nicky

Hello Nicky
fyi

Media outrage after police raid on Sunday Times newspaper


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23628010-661,00.html

AP

May 01, 2008 01:45pm

RIVAL media groups have joined together to condemn police raids on a Perth newspaper, describing it as an attack on free speech.
The department of Premier Alan Carpenter, a former journalist, admitted today making a complaint that led to the raid by 16 officers on the Perth newsroom of News Ltd's Sunday Times yesterday.

The fraud squad officers were trying to find who leaked information about a $16 million advertising bill for taxpayers to help get the WA government re-elected.

During the raid all exits at the Sunday Times building in Perth's inner-east were blocked and staff were subjected to bag searches when they left.

The article, written by staff reporter Paul Lampathakis and published in February, quoted "government sources'' as saying the money was to be spent on strategic advertising campaigns
*click on above link to contiune reading.*

Nicky- It was good of you to post on olo probably being tired.


There seems to be a bit of a pattern in WA.

The good news Nicky Is that these turkeys have a certain mentality.

Re Your comment The lack of a National Animal Welfare Act is what the WA magistrate ....

( Shall we wait a little while before we settle on that thought)
It would be a lot easier if your friends would speak with our qc , but anyway we can only do our best without it. {Cant force people I guess.}

Anyway I hate to be a nag and you will shoot me for saying this.but-

Even 'with' things going your way and our way a bit.

The Answer to this problem lies within the industry.

New players are a must. New laws, new undertakings, all round.

Dicky is posting at the moment for example aqbout the world health risks in regards to intensive breeding of diseases such as bird fule and long haul transport.

When you get time I would be interested in what your ideal thoughts would be on any new Animal Welfare Authority in Australia.?

Sorry to come in here off topic, however, I feel an obligation to inform animal lovers about the unspeakable practices of the pet food industry:

Potential ingredients in a can of pet food can include:

"Flea collars containing sodium pentobarbital used for euthanasia

"Cats and dogs"

"Unwanted insecticides and pharmaceuticals from diseased livestock
complete with plastic ID tags).

"Rotting supermarket rejects including plastic and styrofoam packaging.

"Animal parts deemed "unfit for human consumption"
heads, legs, tongues, intestines, esophagi, beaks, feathers, bones, blood, lungs, ligaments, etc.)

"Diseased and cancerous body parts from the 4 D's:
dead, dying, diseased, & disabled factory-farmed animals

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/jesse.htm

Please do not believe these practices occur only in other countries. The representatives of these industries in Australia are, as proven many times, masters of deception and illusion.

Coincidentally, I came across this news in today's West Australian (5/5/08):

"Dead Pig Infects Man"

Excerpt:

"A pet food processing plant worker has suffered toxic shock syndrome caused by an infected pig carcass. The 41 year man developed the human form of the deadly pig disease streptococcous suis while processing animals at a Melbourne plant in April last year.

"Doctors believe three more cases may have come to light since the (medical) paper was published."

I regret I do not live in Melbourne where I would happily inspect this factory - unannounced of course.

Some companies no longer use Australian wool because of animal rights issues. (sheep crutching & live exports)

There is also a petition floating around the WWW (from Croatia!!) asking us to stop shooting Kangaroos.