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The Forum > General Discussion > Only in Australia!! This is interesting, what do olo readers think?

Only in Australia!! This is interesting, what do olo readers think?

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“a number of African coming to Australia then having unprotected sex with people here knowing full well that they have aids.”
Well, that certainly would have made the papers! I googled, but couldn’t find the link. Could you please state your source — one that establishes the African in question was a refugee, mind you — not just a migrant.

“TB is also an increasing threat”
TB is NOT an increasing threat. It has declined markedly since the 50s and has been stable since 1991. Some refugees do have TB, however, with treatment, the recovery rate is 100%.

“They are contributing to the cost of housing…”
Is this your honest argument for how refugees are driving up the cost of housing? Because they rent houses? Sorry, but this is clearly ridiculous.

“The terrorist on trial in Melbourne are either refugees sons of refugee or backdoor refugees (married in) ...”
I’m not sure what you’re on about here. It’s well documented that NONE of the men on trial — Abdul Nacer Benbrika, Aimen Joud, Ahmed Raad, Fadal Sayadi, Hany Taha, Izzydeen Atik, Shane Kent, Abdullah Merhi, Bassam Raad, Majed Raad, Shoue Hammoud, Amer Haddara and Ezzit Raad — are refugees.

However, if you have extra information about any of the suspects, or if you believe the newspapers have got it wrong, then post it, or take it to the police.

Cuphandle: “...there are some citizens in this country who do NOT want Refugees. Migrants or the like!”

Exactly. But why can’t these citizens be honest about it? The original hoax email is easily disproved, but other posters are either making up facts, failing to check facts properly, or actually lying. All because they don’t have the guts to say “I don’t like refugees.”

“Surely our world has more pressing and demanding priorities…”

Refugee issues are crucial. Australia takes very few refugees compared to the rest of the world — per capita. We increasingly need to redefine our position as refugees (particularly environmental refugees) increase. I believe we should do that based on truth and facts rather than fear and lies.
Posted by Vanilla, Thursday, 17 April 2008 2:54:15 PM
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Thanks Ginx!:
I am still chuckling about your response!....Thank goodness some people have some sort of sense of humour in this crazy world of ours!

Life sure is "like a box of Choklits,....you never know what you will get next!"
Posted by Cuphandle, Thursday, 17 April 2008 3:51:52 PM
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Mr Gerrit said

However, I do not accept it to be some kind of concentration camp detention centre!

pale replies
Hello Mr Gerrit- Your absolutly correct.

Mr Gerrit said
Say assessment ...

Mr Gerrit your a intelligent man and you know in a perfect world that would be the altimate but thats its never going to happen.

You would be very aware that many of these people come without papers- and those who do produce something must be checked out.

You would also be aware, the paper work is often almost not available, it takes ages, and forever to get a reply.
We can not blame, the Australian authority, if they write and get no reply. - or it takes months and even years.

You 'know' many of the delays are not from here but overseas. (Mind You I am NOT praising the disfuntional system of the Government stuff ups here either!)

Mr Gerrit

If the person is accepted to be a refugee then the person be transferred to a normal area
pale

Absolutlty and with ongoing 'support to settle in-' not just left to fend for themselves!

Mr Gerrit said
By this, the Immigration Department has no roll in locking up
pale

Umm, by this you would need a pannel and when that occurs you are inviting corruption because wherever such power travels so will the latter.( perhaps a public system likea jury with legal advise) dont know a big ask.
Mr Gerrit-

More over a habeas corpus application should be given the moment a person is detained so the person can fill in his/her details and seek a Court to make a judicial decision

[pale)
Judges are people and nobody can make a judgement without some form written docs to support the applicant.

That would be highly unfair on the applicant and the judge

Perhaps put to the UN to do a MOU with willing countries to eastablish a data base along with co-operation in the interests of human welfare- which could bring it under UN - However not with the UN taking control .
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 17 April 2008 7:52:37 PM
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Congrats all on the most bizarre thread ever.

Might I suggest that in future when a post is so thoroughly invalidated in the first flush as this one was; that it be ignored, as was Jolandas latest?

Surely you guys would be better employed prosecuting your Merde War de DavidBoaz? (WMD?)
Posted by palimpsest, Thursday, 17 April 2008 9:13:55 PM
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Not bad, not bad at all! Plumpyset, two threads, one frown.

Plumpyset has spoken;.............an'-,while youse about it concentrate on moodywhoredebozo.(WTF?)
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(Cheers Cuphandle; as my sister would so succinctly put it: yergorralaff!)
Posted by Ginx, Thursday, 17 April 2008 9:59:00 PM
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Vanilla you are right I don’t deserve 5 stars for effort because I do this effortlessly and with great ease.

““I would also include their children or anybody they marry into Australia.”
That definition of refugee incorrect. You could marry a refugee. Would that make you one?” Seeing that most refugee are challenged not only by the language but also culturally they would in almost all cases marry somebody of a similar back ground or if you like “double your trouble” and you are right there partner would not be considered a refugee nor would there partners brothers and sister, mother and father, cousins……. Talk about a big hole in our immigration policy!

How much on refugee health problems do you want?

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/2006/20060308_00.html

http://www.health.vic.gov.au/healthstatus/publications/refugee2.htm

Below is one link about hiv to one case which I found with a quick search I am sure you could find more as I have heard of more.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/man-who-infected-women-with-hiv-jailed/2005/12/01/1133311155712.html

“Is this your honest argument for how refugees are driving up the cost of housing? Because they rent houses? Sorry, but this is clearly ridiculous.” Are you a totally ignorant vanilla? Do the maths we take in about 15000 per year 150 000 for a decade (not including back door refugee’s so you can AT LEAST double that figure) most of them are going to be living in Sydney or Melbourne. 300 000 people need a lot of houses and seeing that none of them probably have any sorting of building qualifications they are a huge burden on the housing market and thus drive up rents and the cost of buying a house.

The terriosts in Melbourne are refugee, married a refugee or sons of refugees! How else are they going to get in? On skilled working visas? I doubt it
Posted by EasyTimes, Thursday, 17 April 2008 10:31:42 PM
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