Fractelle! Have you noticed that every-time a hard question or insightful logic comes up they all run for the bible and make less sense than they did a moment ago. But all of what you have presented, I fully agree. P\S The cartoons made me laugh very hard. Thanks!

I think I will throw one back at them.

For give them lord, they not know what they do.

I much prefer: "NEVER forgive them Lord, for they know EXACTLY what they do."

BOAZ_David,

I'm afraid I'm not a believer. I did walk the stations of the cross in Jeruselum, and believe Jesus existed and was an inspiring philosopher, but I think the holy book really resembles chinese whispers of Aesop type fables.

I think generally with religions I cant get past the theory to be good because of the consequences of going to hell, rather than just for goodness sake

Fractelle: You will *love* this In Our Time program about the multiverse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20080221.shtml

In Our Time, if you don't know it, is Melvyn Bragg's BBC Radio 4 program.

You can listen again to the program through the link and/or subscribe to the podcast via iTunes - I highly recommend it, it's the highlight of my week.

Hi Ya Whitty... well.. no one is going to force you to believe.

It might be worth a deeper look though... the quote I provided above.

Did you look closely enough at it to see what John was saying?

This is as close as it gets to a 'witness statement' by one who was actually physically "there" with Jesus.. who wrote the Gospel of John, and here.. he is saying 'we saw, we touched' etc.. call me a meany if you wish :) but that is rather compelling stuff.

You could always sus out 'authorship/textual history/traditions' re Johns letters to give more reason to either believe or not believe.

GINX.. aah..I see the Bex wore off now eh :) Do people ever ask you about that huge chunk of wood on your shoulder?

Whitty.. with Ginxy around..(and in her non medicated state)I should go the extra mile and tell you emphatically that I DON'T HATE YOU :).. nor do I even dislike you, in fact.. I don't even have a clue about you.. except for what you write here and most of it I find interesting.

Amazing how many folks are 'attacking' we believers.. all we do is give opinions, and reasons to believe.. there's no need to call out the hounds on us. The Romans tried that and it fizzed anyway.

blessings to all.

"Amazing how many folks are 'attacking' we believers.. all we do is give opinions, and reasons to believe"

Boazy, that ones a big stretch even for you.

If that is correct then it's also correct to say that those who disagree with you just give opinions and reasons not to believe.

Not many of those opposed to you are advocating for laws which would hinder the practice of you beliefs in your own life (although we would like your opportunity to intefer in others lives curtailed).

Your fundy mates (not so much yourself but sometimes) are often here trying to limit the freedoms of same sex couples.
You are forever here trying to cause problems for muslims.
Some of your fundy mates seem to be advocating for the teaching of myth as fact in regard to origins.
Your faith makes a fairly significant threat against all who don't hold to it - thankfully a toothless threat but still a threat.

That's a bit more than just opinions and reasons.

R0bert